Posted on 12/12/2004 8:54:32 AM PST by Land of the Irish
Are you completely ignorant of the atrocities of the French Revolution? Are you unaware that thousands of innocent people were murdered in the Reign of Terror, and Europe plunged into war for 23 years, in the name of that evil slogan?
A "crown" for the successor of Peter is a joke.
Somehow all the popes from who knows when up to and including John XXIII didn't think it was very funny.
Incomprehensible and indefensible conduct in one's private life does not make a person an idiot. The Prince of Wales's thoughtful views on subjects such as architecture, history, and rural issues show that he has much to offer those who will listen.
It surprises me not at all that you would favor handing political office from father to son, without benefit of election.
The western hemisphere is gradually being drained of despots. Perhaps you could get a taste of Castro before he kicks off. Democracy is likely to follow him, so you better hustle down there.
John XXIII never wore the Papal tiara after his installation, and Paul VI sold the wretched thing to get it out of the Vatican.
You've got a very strange reaction to the words "Liberty and Equality." We're not in 18th century France, my boy.
But apparently the wholesale slaughter of native Americans is quite acceptable to you. Or how about the 1.5 million abortions that women commit every year. Or that GREAT icon of American Liberalism FDR who put American citizens of Japanese descent into concentration camps by executive order? Yeah, your American experiment is SOOoooo superior to every other political formation on the planet.
Bump to this. In fairness, there were other practioners of total war before the French, but they gave it its modern, ideological character.
Beyond that, though, it warms me to the cockles of my heart to see Prof. von Kuehnelt-Leddihn quoted on FR. It used to happen more often...
You've got a very strange reaction to the words "Liberty and Equality." We're not in 18th century France, my boy.
But the Pope when he used those words was in 21st-century France, where they are still understood to refer to the French Revolution.
You make them sound like American bishops.
Actually, it is. Winston Churchill said so.
Imperfect? Yes. Preferable to unchecked monarchs? Infinitely so.
Jesus and His apostles managed to inspire without bedecking themselves in jeweled mitres, watered silk, and gold tiaras.
This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ we're preaching here, not the trappings of Miss America.
Equality was the ideal of ideals for the communists who saw themselves as the grandchildren of the French Revolution and rightly so. I'll take it that you have no problem with either.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Well you've finally shown your true colors, Sink. In your opinion all the popes until Vatican II were jokes.
A successor of Peter wearing a gold tube on his head is kinda funny, don't you think?
You're right. It would be amazing. That is, if you continue to fail to make the necessary distinctions. The liberty, fraternity and equality spoken of by the Freemasons is a deliberate corruption of authentic L, F and E. The kind you would hold up is the Freemasonry brand.
Pope Leo XIII was careful to point this out as well:
"Amongst the many benefits to be expected from it will be the great benefit of drawing the minds of men to liberty, fraternity, and equality of right; not such as the Freemasons absurdly imagine, but such as Jesus Christ obtained for the human race and St. Francis aspired to: the liberty, We mean, of sons of God, through which we may be free from slavery to Satan or to our passions, both of them most wicked masters; the fraternity whose origin is in God, the common Creator and Father of all; the equality which, founded on justice and charity, does not take away all distinctions among men, but, out of the varieties of life, of duties, and of pursuits, forms that union and that harmony which naturally tend to the benefit and dignity of society."
The Freemasons have their pillars of faith, hope and charity as well. Rerendered in the image and likeness of man, of course. Trashed concepts and wasted ideas, cups clean on the outside but full of filth on the inside. It is the same with L,F & E... the replacement of a real liberty, fraternity and equality with a fool's gold substitute.
Bait and switch. Another stupid sales tactic.
No. Like the United States of America.
You're obsessed with Nazis.
Well then it MUST be true.
Imperfect? Yes. Preferable to unchecked monarchs? Infinitely so.
What enthralls you so? Is it the mass pornography? The abortion on demand? The ability to kill millions with our bombs? Perhaps our divorce rate? Or the violence that can be found on our streets and in our homes. Or maybe its the dumbing down process in our educational system. The drug culture? Or good old all american Hollywood? What is it exactly?
Imperfect? Yes. Preferable to unchecked monarchs? Infinitely so.
It would be subtle but kind to say that perhaps you see the Great Experiment through rose-colored glasses.
He said with a tear in his eye *sniff*. It means no such thing and you know it. The rich and powerful get away with a hell of a lot more than you or I. Where was Hillary Clinton's trial for turning $1,000.00 into $100,000.00 in three months. Or William Clinton for having a ____load of FBI files illegally? Or the latest white house nominee for national security? He broke the law? Will he go to trial? I doubt it, but I know others who have gone to jail for less. Despite how you want to define equality in ideal terms, in practice it has always meant killing and destroying whatever the haves have in order to placate the envy of the have nots. Sorry to disappoint you.
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