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Persecuted Virginia priest lashes out at fellow clergy
catholiccitizens.org ^ | 11/28/2004 | Matt C. Abbott

Posted on 11/29/2004 10:05:10 AM PST by heyheyhey

Edited on 11/29/2004 8:30:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Convert from ECUSA

Real reportage is a bit much to expect from the Arlington Herald ... You can pretty safely read "Straight Answers" and the "Gospel Commentary", then pitch it. The rest is usually dreck.


41 posted on 11/29/2004 12:00:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Unam Sanctam

Homosexulaity, clergymen committing sin with protection and without discipline, priests who do not accept what the Church teaches about sexual morality...all of the ills you mention are the fruits of the Council.


42 posted on 11/29/2004 12:02:32 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("All of God's children have a uvula.")
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To: 26lemoncharlie

The Vatican II documents are fully orthodox, are part of the magisterial teachings of the Church, and were adopted by a proper ecumenical council and approved by the Pope. "Vatican II" as a slogan has been used to justify all sorts of heretical horrors, but there is nothing wrong with the documents themselves. As for the current Roman rite, it should be celebrated more reverently and with traditional music, art and devotions, but it is the same Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as the Tridentine Rite, which should be widely available and in some places, is.


43 posted on 11/29/2004 12:05:16 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel; 26lemoncharlie
In the considered opinion of many Traditional Catholics, the new "mass" is neither holy nor sacrificial.

Many? 200?

I'm with the Pope, I mean - with the one called John Paul II and with one billion unsaved unwashed Novus Ordo Roman Catholics. ;-D

44 posted on 11/29/2004 12:06:49 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

The Vatican II documents say absolutely nothing to permit any of those things. On the contrary, the documents fully confirm the teachings of the deposit of the faith. Fight the specific problems mentioned, not the Magisterium and the Church herself.


45 posted on 11/29/2004 12:07:04 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: ArrogantBustard
Real reportage is a bit much to expect from the Arlington Herald ...

Sadly, this goes for most of the American "free press."

46 posted on 11/29/2004 12:10:32 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: ArrogantBustard

That's pretty much all I read, too. Those two items, plus some of the articles by Wegel and Hitchcock (when they print them), seem OK. Once in a while there are other good items, but sometimes it has impressed me as being a less liberal version of "The Virginia Episcopalian."


47 posted on 11/29/2004 12:11:22 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: heyheyhey

One billion? Do you mean the ones whose only attendance at Church is at baptism? Or the considerably less than one billion who regularly attend Mass? Or the even fewer than that who have any understanding whatsoever of their alleged Faith? Yes, there are so many of you that they only have to close down 1/3 of the churches in Boston this go-round. Strength in numbers, I suppose.


48 posted on 11/29/2004 12:12:13 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("All of God's children have a uvula.")
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To: Unam Sanctam
Fight the specific problems mentioned, not the Magisterium and the Church herself.

It has become a very special challenge for the media: how to hurt the Church and save the homos.

That's why I warmly welcome articles about heroic priests as this one.

49 posted on 11/29/2004 12:15:12 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Unam Sanctam

"Vatican II documents...fully confirm the teachings of the deposit of the faith."

As written, possibly. As applied, absolutely not. Treat the virus causing the illness, not just the symptoms.


50 posted on 11/29/2004 12:15:15 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("All of God's children have a uvula.")
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

OK, you win, you are holier than the Pope and his flock.


51 posted on 11/29/2004 12:18:02 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: ArrogantBustard

It's a sin for a priest to be sexually active, period.


52 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:11 PM PST by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

But the magisterial documents did not "cause the illness" and are not a "virus". So it is unjust to trash valid magisterial documents. As the old saying goes, the devil can quote Scripture to his own devices.


53 posted on 11/29/2004 12:27:06 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Jaded
It's a sin for a priest to be sexually active, period.

It's a sin for anyone to be sexually active outside of valid marriage, period.

54 posted on 11/29/2004 12:29:52 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
So, you're seriously saying that the "basic elements" of the Mass of the "early Church" was conducted in English and had women serving communion cookies by hand, accompanied by recorded music? Interesting historical perspective, to say the least.

No. But the early Mass was conducted in the vernacular of the time (Latin or Greek), and the faithful actually took communion home with them (men and women) to be consumed during the week. Communion was given in the hand, and under both kinds. You can look this up in the writings of St. Justin, Martyr.

55 posted on 11/29/2004 12:32:36 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Jaded

Except for those who are married ...


56 posted on 11/29/2004 12:34:04 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

I don't revile you my friend. In my opinion you are correct in that the USCCB has no spine or intestinal fortitude to deal with these situations. It seems that their ownly goal is to "act in unison" even when all members don't see eye-to-eye or believe what they challenge the rest of us to do. This is a clear case of "don't do as I do, do as I say." Screw them.


57 posted on 11/29/2004 12:35:39 PM PST by hardhead ("Curly, if you say it's a fine morning, I'll shoot you!" - John Wayne, McLintock 1963)
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To: ArrogantBustard; heyheyhey
M'kay.

It is a sin for unmarried people to have sex with anyone. How's that?

The scandal was more about homosexuals than pedophiles. So much so that a new class of sexual deviant was created 'Ebophile' or some such (probably some such) to describe someone who was attracted to post-pubescent males who are legally underage. Generally age 14-17.

58 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:44 PM PST by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: Grey Ghost II
How many bishops who protect or sympathize or cover for their homosexual priests,or are themselves homosexual,have received a letter or a postcard from you? Have you written the Pope or the prelates in charge ofthe Congregations for Faith,Priestly Formation or Bishops?

If you haven't informed a few of these rotten bishops about how you assess their actions then you too are a part of the problem. It is well known that many bishops,Pilla,Pilarzyck,Clark,Hubbard,Mahoney,Flynn,Skylstad,Adamec,Lynch,Friend,Graehmann,Brown,Sylverter Ryan,AMcGrath,McCormick,Loverde and others have protected and recruited homosexuals. Have you told them you have heard and that you think they betray Christ? Have you told them what it does to your faith when you see them (the shepherds) leading their lambs,or flocks to the abyss? Have you told them that their job is to save souls? You should.

If every Freeper,who is disturbed with the way the bishops are dealing with the scandal would take the time to send out one or two letters or postcards each week to one or two of the bishops who protect homosexual priests,they might be a little less cavalier in their behavior. You canget their addresses off the USCB/NCCB website. I have given you some names and you may know a couple othrs yourself. Do it and start telling us,the choir,what you are doing about it!

Then write one lettr a month to the Caardinals in charge of the Congregations in the Vatican. If you really expect things to get better,you need to make sure you are informing those miscreants that you know what they are doing and you find it reprehensible. The enemy writhes lots of letters supporting these "imposters". I am a big believer in prayers but I also think we have an obligation to expose the Truth to those who can do something about it. Only if we call them on their behavior and report it to those to whom they are responsible and pray can we believe we have done our part. Most don't do that. Telling one another and blaming others and expecting that that will do the trick is magical thinking. We are a Church of miracles and mysteries but not magic.

59 posted on 11/29/2004 12:42:03 PM PST by saradippity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I agree with you. The Church has embraced some aspects of modernity, some good, some not so good. Why can't the Vatican answer some basic questions? For example, why can't some responsible Catholic journalist ask some high ranking cardinal why so much of the American hierarchy seem to be out of step with Rome? There are so many basic questions that could be asked I can't understand why they are not asked and answered.

The Church is in disarray in many respects and with modern communications it would be easy to communicate the truth to so many.
60 posted on 11/29/2004 12:49:57 PM PST by johnb2004
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