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Pope dismayed by Catholic Church's waning influence in Europe
The Kansas City Star ^ | Nov. 09, 2004 | LIZ SLY

Posted on 11/11/2004 5:56:05 AM PST by Land of the Irish

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To: Unam Sanctam

Amchurch bishops are allowing CCPA priests to offer Masses in their own churches in the US, unbeknownst to the Catholic parishioners.

As I've said, "Religious Liberty!"

Viva la Revolution!


41 posted on 11/11/2004 7:22:27 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

Who or what are CCPA priests?


42 posted on 11/11/2004 7:24:26 PM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Who or what are CCPA priests?

Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association

A false government religion, founded by Mao Tse-Tung to counter the true Catholic Church in Red China. The CCPA has never recognized any Pope and they support China's harsh mandatory abortion laws.

43 posted on 11/11/2004 7:39:49 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: sinkspur
Are you going to the funeral, deacon? In the ecumenical spirit of VC II?

"Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!"

44 posted on 11/11/2004 8:46:47 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: St.Chuck

Well said.


45 posted on 11/11/2004 9:19:32 PM PST by TradicalRC (Character only matters when its a democrat.)
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To: livius

Your point is also well said. The Church chose to go modern in order to be relevant but the modernist idea is to publicize sexuality and privatize religion (if not abolish it entirely). In trying to be relevant to a secularist culture, she ultimately made herself irrelevant. God warns time and again to the Israelites not to become like the pagans they live among. Vanity of vanities...


46 posted on 11/11/2004 9:28:08 PM PST by TradicalRC (Character only matters when its a democrat.)
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To: St.Chuck
Why Catholics seek to blame the Church for human failings is a deep mystery.

Your statement brings to my mind a statement from the Letter To Priests sent out to the priests in the world by Pope John Paul II on Holy Thursday,2002. He told them "The mystery of iniquity has burrowed deep into the soul of the Church". It struck me as being so meaningful,touching and poignant.

I thought about how awful it must be to be Pope,so responsible to guide and guard the flock,who stiff necked and proud,all think they know better which tenets and teachings are applicable to them. He knows so much more than we do and must carefully choose his words so that innocents are not harmed,enemies are not alerted and those that should act are attentive and responsive. But half of them are busy sniping at the few who do understand,that's the thing that makes me want to cry. Then I pray for him and pray that God give him wisdom and strength.

47 posted on 11/11/2004 10:55:19 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Land of the Irish
Amchurch bishops are allowing CCPA priests to offer Masses in their own churches in the US, unbeknownst to the Catholic parishioners.

I would disagree with their doing that until the situation is resolved. In some cases, however, the orders might be "valid, but illicit," like the Old Catholics. Freedom within the Church is a different matter altogether from religious freedom in the broader civil society. As a practical matter, in a world where there are no Catholic confessional states, and many on the Left want to restrict the freedom of Catholics, civil religious freedom is one of the best protections the Church has in this day and age. And as for a confessional state, there is always the danger that the Church will identify herself too much with the state, as the Orthodox and Anglicans have done through much of their history. Also, I'm sure that a Catholic confessional state would not put up with unauthorized schismatic conventicles poppoing up all over, a la fissiparious Protestantism.

48 posted on 11/12/2004 6:47:03 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
I would disagree with their doing that...

You would disagree with the "Living" Magisterium?

Are you a schismatic?

49 posted on 11/12/2004 8:16:57 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Tantumergo
Rocco Buttiglione, whose nomination to the European Commission was rejected because of his staunch Catholic beliefs, has hinted that the Italian nominee who took his place is a Freemason.

The E.U. Politburo has its standards and one of them is that you may not disagree, either publicly or privately.

50 posted on 11/12/2004 10:01:36 AM PST by nosofar
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To: JesseHousman
maintaining the Roman Catholic Church's position as a Beacon of Moral and Theological example for all!

Care to provide some examples? Would you care to see some examples of mine?

51 posted on 11/14/2004 6:26:56 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: h.a. cherev

Many "faithful" couldn't be more confused about the Roman Catholic Church, which has degraded into something about as catholic as evangelical protestantism.

It is true that many Catholics are confused, especially when they travel about North America and Europe and find that the mass, even being said in the vernacular, is not uniform and not treated as anything sacred.

The ailing, frail Pope should have spent more time repairing the Catholic Church and restoring it to its once proud majesty as would befit the Church Jesus Christ left behind to nuture and instruct us until the Second Coming. Instead he has squandered his tenure on humanism and in ways unecclesiastical. There are many examples but a two that come to mind are embracing voodooism and sitting to observe bare-breasted polynesian lasses who danced for his entertainment.

Instead of working towards unraveling the web originating and consolidating after Vatican II and bringing sanity back to sanctuaries, he devoted much time to ecumenism by imitating and surpassing protestantism.

There was no sorting out by this Pope of the infestation of the priesthood by the communists and their homosexal allies. He deserves the snubbing by what some refer to as schisms.

When the time comes for this Pope and a few predecessors to account for what they have worked overtime to change on earth, their fate will not be a pleasant one.


52 posted on 11/14/2004 6:30:17 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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