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Catholic hospitals commit - and US bishops condone - live birth abortions
The Illinois Leader ^ | 14 September 2004 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 09/14/2004 2:12:44 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

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To: cpforlife.org; nickcarraway

Ping


3 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:55 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: AskStPhilomena

A "gut wrenching" alert would have been appropriate.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 3:08:22 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: AskStPhilomena; NYer
I think you're painting the "novus ordo sect" with too broad a brush.

Here is an earlier OSV piece by the reporter about this:

Where to Draw the Line? Prenatal Ethics.

An Our Sunday Visitor investigation has revealed that some Catholic hospitals perform a procedure called "early induction for fetuses with anomalies incompatible with life" known by its acronym, EIFWAIL, or simply as "early induction." This procedure induces a woman into labor after her unborn child reaches viability around 23 to 26 weeks in cases when the child is known to have a condition that makes death inevitable soon after even a full-term birth. The child born in this way is made comfortable and often held by the mother until death.

The two most common conditions for which this procedure is performed are anencephaly, in which the child's brain and skull fail to develop beyond the brain stem, and renal agenesis, in which the kidneys and lungs are underdeveloped. Children with these conditions generally do not live beyond a few minutes to a few hours outside the womb (although some anencephalic children have lived for months after birth).

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The Catholic hospitals OSV spoke with that use this procedure emphatically denied they are anything like Christ Hospital, which is not Catholic-run. But pro-life and other Catholic leaders say the EIFWAIL procedure resembles abortion too closely and many called it abortion outright.

A 1998 statement on early induction for anencephalic children, issued by the U.S. bishops Committee on Doctrine, clearly sides with the latter opinion.

5 posted on 09/14/2004 3:16:15 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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"The two most common conditions for which this procedure is performed are anencephaly...and renal agenesis"

I've personally seen with my own eyes a full-term baby that was murdered for supposed "renal agenesis incompatible with life". Unfortunately, when the postmortem was conducted, the child was found to be totally normal (i.e. 2 normal kidneys). Amazingly the couple involved elected not to sue because "no amount of money could bring their baby back".


6 posted on 09/14/2004 3:45:57 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena
I was just pointing out that the bishops actually opposed this procedure, so I think it's a little unfair to paint them all as pro-abort modernists.

I think the fact that this procedure is performed in any supposedly Catholic hospital is an utter disgrace.

7 posted on 09/14/2004 4:05:34 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
"Catholic hospitals commit - and US bishops condone - live birth abortions" PING

Christ's servants and our supposed shepherds have become Herod and Judas. I am sick saying it, but it is true.

Never put an innocent or honest person to death.
I will not allow anyone guilty of this to go free.
Exodus 23

SAINT JOHN CHRYSOSTOM: Bishop and Doctor of the Church (345-407 AD) "Where there is murder before birth, you do not even let a harlot remain only a harlot, but you make of her a murderess as well!"

"The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bad bishops.
--St. John Chrysostom: Bishop and Doctor of the Church

The Apocalypse of Peter ca 135 "I saw a gorge in which the discharge and excrement of the tortured ran down and became like a lake. There sat women, and the discharge came up to their throats; and opposite them sat many children, who were born prematurely, weeping. And from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women on the eyes. These were those who produced children outside of marriage and who procured abortions." -26

"Those who slew the unborn children will be tortured forever, for God wills it to so."
-2:264

8 posted on 09/14/2004 4:45:37 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Ping to #8


9 posted on 09/14/2004 4:47:11 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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Hey ... I just wanted to thank you for directing me to Hanceville. THAT is actually the place I had in mind when contemplating the little side pilgrimage en route home.

Road work and a detour on 278 out of Gadsden caused me to miss Mass (one wherein ALL the women cover their heads, I see). But I was able to make a visit, listen to midday prayers from behind the screen and spend some time in adoration. Also had a strange chat with a fairly recent convert who is a devotee of the Holy Face and lent some interesting insights on the nuns in the process of telling me about a blind dog they were hoping she'd adopt.

I thought it interesting I arrived on Grandparents' Day. My grandmother was my prime Special Intention.

But I also needed very much the time to think and am really glad I made the time to take the time. It is so very beautiful there. Almost like Kentucky on the approach.

Thanks again.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 4:52:16 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: cpforlife.org
THANKS FOR THE PING

A child is a gift, not a choice


11 posted on 09/14/2004 5:02:53 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: cpforlife.org

Commendation to you for your answer ! but it would also be quicker and easier to quote the FIFTH COMMANDMENT...........THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
no wonder the hurricanes come right after one another !! Dear God,sweet Mother Mary..stop those who are killing the Babies !! Teach the Ten Commandments and the Rosary !


12 posted on 09/14/2004 5:08:37 PM PDT by Rosary
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P.S.

Hats off to a friend and devoted servant of the unborn who managed to make a stink (in an almost painfully discreet fashion) until the biomanufacturers at a local Catholic hospital finally booted the artificial reproduction enclave that somehow managed to find a home there.

He's the one who -- like you -- pointed out to me that the back-alley abortion thing is largely a myth given how many Catholic hospitals, even, were performing abortions prior to Roe.


13 posted on 09/14/2004 5:10:00 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Depends.

If the mother has pre eclampsia, you might have to deliver the kid this early.

If the mother has an anencephalic baby, and polyhydramnos, the mom's health is in danger, and there is no way the kid will survive. So you deliver early.

If the child has Potter's syndrome, or no kidneys, the kid won't survive, so you might deliver early.

If they do this because the child is merely retarded-- a Down's syndrome child, or a child with meningomyelocoel, then it is wrong. These kids live long lives, and carrying them to term does not endanger mom's health or life.


14 posted on 09/14/2004 5:19:12 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Askel5
Wonderful!

I was joking with my family last night that we should go to escape Ivan the Terrible. Though Hanceville may get some too.

Did you make it downstairs to the Lower Church, and the Creche, St. Michael's Castle across from the Temple?

I was told the Monstrance is the second largest in the world, at over 8 feet tall. It's awesome to see the veil which is in front of it come down after Mass. The nuns play this awesome piece w several violins--awesome!

The summer before Mother had her stroke we happened to be at a Mass where one of the novices took her first vows. She and Mother stood at the gate and Mother cut her long hair with a huge pair of sissors, put the full habit on her; then Father Joseph put a wedding ban on her finger. That was very neat.

We stay at the St. Michael's guest house, which is on the left-- right before the white fence starts.

See,now I got to get back. Would like to maybe move there one day.
15 posted on 09/14/2004 5:31:34 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: B Knotts; Religion Moderator; AskStPhilomena
"Other Catholic hospitals may also be involved."

Are there any morals left in the novus ordo sect?
1 posted on 09/14/2004 5:12:45 PM EDT by AskStPhilomena


Here is an earlier OSV piece by the reporter about this:

Where to Draw the Line? Prenatal Ethics....
The Catholic hospitals OSV spoke with that use this procedure emphatically denied they are anything like Christ Hospital, which is not Catholic-run. But pro-life and other Catholic leaders say the EIFWAIL procedure resembles abortion too closely and many called it abortion outright.

A 1998 statement on early induction for anencephalic children, issued by the U.S. bishops Committee on Doctrine, clearly sides with the latter opinion.


Thank you BKnotts for supplementing this thread.


16 posted on 09/14/2004 5:32:43 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: AskStPhilomena

This is horrible.

Its beyond horrible.

I want it stopped. What can I do?


17 posted on 09/14/2004 5:41:27 PM PDT by kidd
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To: LadyDoc
If the child has Potter's syndrome, or no kidneys, the kid won't survive, so you might deliver early.

What about delivering once a donor has been identified? Highly risky, but better than death.

18 posted on 09/14/2004 5:46:38 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Rosary
"also be quicker and easier to quote the FIFTH COMMANDMENT"

Yep, BUT then I would not be posting all my favorite fire and brimstone! LOL

Honestly, it helps me vent from this type info about the dragons that murder innocent children and bishops who remain silent.

It's good to reflect at a time such as this that Jesus is the Merciful AND JUST Judge.
19 posted on 09/14/2004 5:49:20 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: kidd; All

What you can do to end Abortion. 56 things.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/youcan.html


20 posted on 09/14/2004 5:51:26 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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