Pope's message for "Men and Religions" meeting

Zenit ^ | September 8, 2004

[AlbionGirl]

"Humanism": the God worshippped is man. He couldn't have chosen a worse term if that was actually his goal.

Peace never requires violence, it always calls for dialogue.

Of course it always requires dialogue, duh! But it never requires violence? The Pope is living in a dream world where Pederasts are just people, but a physical struggle for Liberty is a denial of Christ. Corsi's words were poorly chosen, but I think his conclusion is correct.

[Pio]

Yeah, I'm really confused.

Isn't "humanism" a turning away from Christ?

Something about the word makes me wary.

[pascendi]

"The pope is coopting the language of progressives."

At this point several possible theories come to mind as to how to explain this, St. Chuck. That the people at the Milan meeting he has given his stamp of approval to are merely a bunch of socialist, communist, new age syncretist fruitcakes is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Browse the site.

Now as for how to explain John Paul II's endorsement of them, naturally, the best option would be to adopt the most charitable theory.

Here's the problem though: John Paul II as Karol Wojtya had a significant hand in the creation of both Lumen Gentium and Gaudium et Spes. These two documents are indispensable to the "legitimization" of this socialist, global melting pot of an anti-religion which is clearly the object of the Milan meeting "Religions and Cultures: the Courage to Forge a New Spiritual Humanism", as evidenced by their website.

In other words... he can't truly be said to be coopting a language that he has a hand in developing.

"Be not afraid."

A traditional stance eliminates fear.

[pascendi]

"It's perplexing that some who claim to be sheep assigned to his pastoral care would find reason for disagreement."

That's simple. What you've done is selected out text which occurs between the part of the text that's being griped about. The text being griped about contains ideas such as "a new spiritual humanism". Instead, you are pretending that trads are complaining about the other parts of the text which you have carefully selected.

But they aren't. The complaint has been very specific as to the text: secular humanism, socialism and syncretism.

[AlbionGirl]

It's even worse than that. Humanism isnt't turning away from Christ, because Christ was, is, and never more shall be found there.

I don't want to choose my words poorly either, I may have already done that, but rallying around Humanism is going to get you just that. Co-opting modern language has the unfortunate side effect of co-opting the modern morals which gave rise to the language to begin with.

Just look at the Catholic Laity, they are so flaccid that it's almost immeasureable. They are made prostrate by an effete, unenergetic leniency, hence their disbelief in the Real Presence, hence their quiet acquiesence in staging the Altar.

When was the last time you heard a Priest deliver a sermon on termperance, on fasting, on steeling one's discipline, on sloth, on giving oneself away bit by bit with indiscrimate fornication until there's nothing left? When? They seem to feel comfortable yammering on about greed, but that's about it.

I feel like Zell Miller: I could go on, and on, and on, but I won't. The Church could use some Zell Millers, but unfortunately it's too late. The Clergy has aided and abetted Man's natural tendency to want an easy Faith, a convenient Faith, a pusillanimous God.

All I can say is the Catholic Church may be swollen in membership, but IMO it is no longer a body that places Christ, The Risen above Man the Fallen, and as a consequence is impoverished in inverse proportion to it's swelled ranks.

[St.Chuck]

A traditional stance eliminates fear.

Yes, and perhaps it is the pope's traditionalism that provokes his repeated use of the phrase, "Be not afraid", to encourage those to whom he addresses, whatever the occaision.

That the people at the Milan meeting he has given his stamp of approval to are merely a bunch of socialist, communist, new age syncretist fruitcakes is beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I did browse the site, and I can't find anything that supports even one of your claims. You are jousting at windmills.

[St.Chuck]

What you've done is selected out text which occurs between the part of the text that's being griped about.

I thought that was what we were doing on this thread. I was following your lead.

Bottom line is that the pope encourages people of different faiths and cultures to come together in peace. To attribute nefarious motives to such a harmless and potentially beneficial pursuit is perplexing. Meanwhile, the headline, the thrust of the article should be that the pope is supportive of the war on terror. Not that he's advocating communism which is what you seem to be implying if not directly, then by association.

[pascendi]

I did browse the site, and I can't find anything that supports even one of your claims. You are jousting at windmills.

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