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Vatican accepts evolution as fact
Fatima Perspectives ^ | August 24th 2004 | Chris Ferrara

Posted on 08/28/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

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To: dsc; Dr. Eckleburg

Well, I'm quite surprised, you being an expert on the bible and all.


361 posted on 08/31/2004 10:31:19 PM PDT by D Edmund Joaquin (I'll sing you a dark saying on my harp, but you won't like it)
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To: sinkspur

LOL

You're too funny...

If I'm a PitA, what does that make you sink?


362 posted on 08/31/2004 11:11:35 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Ah, so you just joined in for the purpose of making smarmy, insulting remarks, then.

You must be inspired by Ecclesiastes 9:11-a: "For I returned, and saw under the sun that the race is not to the swift, nor bread to the wise, but you can prove that you're cooler than anybody by acting like an a$$hole."


363 posted on 09/01/2004 12:30:10 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

No, I'm inspired to teach the Word. If you were listening, you would learn something.


364 posted on 09/01/2004 12:37:20 AM PDT by D Edmund Joaquin (I'll sing you a dark saying on my harp, but you won't like it)
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To: dsc; D Edmund Joaquin
It's a good thing this isn't a Phillip K. Dick novel, because you just flunked the analogy comprehension test.

There's no comma after novel and only one "l" in Philip, Dick.

365 posted on 09/01/2004 1:04:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Hey, RNC! Get Bob Dylan to sing "Saving Grace" at the Convention!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

1. You're wrong about the comma.

2. I have better things to do than to care which of the two common spellings of "Phillip" that author used.

3. Only a dick brings such things up in Internet discussion.


366 posted on 09/01/2004 1:14:07 AM PDT by dsc
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

"No, I'm inspired to teach the Word."

Some people hear the voice of God; some people just hear voices.

If you think an inspiration to teach the Word involves being unpleasant with people, it's pretty clear which group you belong in.


367 posted on 09/01/2004 1:16:15 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc; D Edmund Joaquin

1) No, you're wrong about the comma.

2) Phillip or Philip doesn't matter. The author, Philip K. Dick, spelled his name with one l. You are wrong, again.

3) Your language is offensive.

You should be able to discuss these topics without getting so emotional. It must be genetic. Go to sleep. When you wake up, look to the east and see the sun rising and feel better.


368 posted on 09/01/2004 1:32:38 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Hey, RNC! Get Bob Dylan to sing "Saving Grace" at the Convention!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

1) Let's bet a couple of thousand dollars on the comma.

2) I said I had better things to worry about than which of the two spellings the author used. I'm certainly not wrong about that.

3) My language is exactly the language you used. You find it offensive? Look in the mirror.

4) I'm not discussing a topic just now. What's happened is that I've been ambushed by an obnoxious little turd, and have wasted far too much time on it. And this is the end of that.


369 posted on 09/01/2004 3:00:54 AM PDT by dsc
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To: pro Athanasius
Be a good little Christian:

The Rev. George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, said that evolution is a scientific conclusion that does not deny the existence of God. “Whether evolution is true or not is a separate issue,” he said. “It’s true from a scientific view. God could create an evolutionary world just as He could create a static world.”

370 posted on 09/01/2004 6:54:30 AM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: dsc; D Edmund Joaquin

I'd heard these evo threads were vicious.

But idiot grammar, too?

Good thing you're not discussing this; it's getting pretty stupid.


371 posted on 09/01/2004 10:39:17 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Hey, RNC! Get Bob Dylan to sing "Saving Grace" at the Convention!)
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To: dsc
The accounts in Genesis are an allegory that contains theological Truth

One of the basic rules of sound biblical interpretation is that unless something is obviously figurative, or is stated as figurative, it should be taken literally. What textual evidence in Genesis 1-2 points you to an allegory ?

372 posted on 09/01/2004 11:40:27 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Virgnian by birth, Texan by choice)
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To: UsnDadof8
One of the basic rules of sound biblical interpretation is that unless something is obviously figurative, or is stated as figurative, it should be taken literally.

You mean, until proved wrong, assume inerrancy, no matter how ludicrous? It's too much like a criminal saying he's innocent unless caught red handed on tape in front of a live audience.

Difficult to see how that rule produces anything "sound".

373 posted on 09/01/2004 12:35:57 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: balrog666

I didn't say anything about inerrancy. My point was how to properly read the bible. Apparently some people will read God did this or God did that and saym "Oh that's just a parable", totally without any textual evidence. So again I ask what textual evidence is there of Genesis being an allegory ?


374 posted on 09/01/2004 12:49:05 PM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Virgnian by birth, Texan by choice)
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To: UsnDadof8
So again I ask what textual evidence is there of Genesis being an allegory ?

That it's in the Bible.

375 posted on 09/01/2004 1:29:20 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: UsnDadof8

"unless something is obviously figurative"

The accounts in Genesis are obviously figurative.


376 posted on 09/01/2004 5:43:35 PM PDT by dsc
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To: balrog666; 8mmMauser; AAABEST; NYer; Salvation; cpforlife.org; Land of the Irish; ...

You said,"Be a good little Christian:

The Rev. George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, said that evolution is a scientific conclusion that does not deny the existence of God. “Whether evolution is true or not is a separate issue,” he said. “It’s true from a scientific view. God could create an evolutionary world just as He could create a static world.”

I guess you are an atheist or maybe a member of the Church of Satan with such a name????

If you think your name is funny or that you fancy yourself the beast- well many thought they were. If you are using it to be cute- you will find out that such a name is no joke. Those who fancy those numbers are in the place where they will finally meet the man of lawlessness after he is defeated. Evolution is not true in any sense. It is false and straight out of the pits of hell and you know it is. Its from the pits of hell because it contradicts scripture.

It is not true in a philosophical, theological or scientific way. People deny God- science can not and you know that the past popes have said that- if you don’t you should. Science is a mere tool used to understand God's universe.


377 posted on 09/01/2004 10:00:30 PM PDT by pro Athanasius
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To: sinkspur; PetroniusMaximus

Sinkspur you said in post 50
"Those are details. It is almost impossible to argue a "start from scratch" creation theory, at least where mankind is concerned."

Your statement is wrong. If you are right then Thomas Aguinas is wrong, Augustine, Pope Leo XIII, Pius XII and most of the Early Church fathers and countless Christians who take the book of Genesis and the creation of Adam and Eve as historical events which happened in the way it was written and not a silly myth as you seem to think it is.

Read my post #321 where I quote all of the above on the origins topic including G.K. Chesterton. You take the side of Aldux Huxley and H.G. Wells except that you admit that it was God who put the soul into our first parents. So do you think our first parents were not one man and one woman but a group of people as Karl Rahner thought? In other words a group of "humanoids" who had souls put in them? He didn’t believe in original sin you know. This was condemned by Pius XII. The Church has always taught that God created the first man as an adult man and that woman was taken from the man. God is God he can do anything. Augustine thought God created the world in one day wherease most of the others taught 6 days. Orthodox Jewish Scholars and non Orthodox libeal Jews say that the author/s of Genesis taught that creation was in 6 24 hour periods and that those who believe in evolution will not find its support in scripture because evolution teaches that man evolved over a perioud of thousands of years.

So are you a fan of Teilhard de Chardin ?


378 posted on 09/01/2004 10:36:29 PM PDT by pro Athanasius
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To: pro Athanasius
If you wish to believe in a literal Genesis, go right ahead. I'm not going to be able to change your opinion, nor do I have a desire to.

It's just not that important.

379 posted on 09/01/2004 10:41:27 PM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Polybius
God made sure to write this one in stone to avoid the wigglers down the road.

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

A direct correlation written in God's own hand, to eliminate any confusion.

380 posted on 09/01/2004 11:20:32 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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