Posted on 08/14/2004 3:34:11 AM PDT by littlepaddle
I call it prospering when you go from being murdered at every turn, to becoming the official, and dominant religion of the empire. That is the power of Christianity.
That was after the reigning powers became Christian, not under the Pagans. The pagans persecuted them.
Why didn't the Communists persecute Fr. Karol?
The snippet below, from the above "VATICAN II IN THE DOCK", deserves a repeated reading:
"As if entrusting the preparation of Council documents to heretics like Kung, Schillebeeckx and Rahner was not sensational enough, however, we also know that they and their "progressive" colleagues counted among their ranks an unknown number of high level infiltrators. This shocking reality was once again raised in the summer 2001 edition of the Latin Mass Magazine, when no less a personage than Dr. Alice von Hildebrand recalled during an interview that "Bella Dodd told my husband and me that when she was an active [Communist] party member, she had dealt with no fewer than four cardinals within the Vatican 'who were working for us'." And that was some 20 years before Vatican II! We can only guess at the number of Communist (and Masonic) "plants" who had risen to positions of influence in Rome and the ecclesiastical provinces by 1962 (… not to say 2003!)."
I have long wondered why the communists never applied their bare knuckles hard line atheism with Karol Wojtyla. It seems he never saw the inside of a communist prison in Poland. Yet, all around him Polish Roman Catholic Bishops were regularly chained and imprisoned. Coincidence? Hardly.
How can a Pope receive semi-naked women and follow the lines of perennial Catholic Morals? What about the public sin of scandal caused by receiving women in such a state of dress?
When a Sovereign Pontiff dances rock 'n roll and admires immodest dress, what is he teaching the ensemble of the Church? That Catholics have to follow sound Morals or quite the opposite? How can a Pope act against the Church's two-thousand-year-old moral principles?
Is the Papacy a state and the Pope an entertainer? Doesn't such a transformation destroy the solemnity, scrality, and supreme dignity of the institution of the Papacy?
How can Vatican ecumenism with heretic s not be heresy since it favors, protects, and stimulates heretics to become more convinced they're right?
What is the point of the Conciliar Church in promoting the Jewish religion? They must be aware that Hebrew creed abhors Catholic dogmas.
Vatican leaders promote Islam and betray the Catholic cause by attempting to anesthetize natural reactions to the invasion of Europe and America by Muslims.
To what end does dialogue with voodooists lead? Encouraging and defending representatives of the voodoo cult promotes the cult of satan.
A Papacy like the one we have today is not compatible with the past of the Holy Church and with Catholic doctrine. Therefore, it seems that there is only one thing to do and that is to stop the destruction of the Papacy and Catholic institutions and turn toward what the Holy Catholic Church has always taught us with regard to the mission of the Sovereign Pontiff. To do otherwise would be to continue along a road that benefits only the universal Revolution and such a path leads the Church to incur the wrath of God-and His chastisement.
| Communism? In the eastern bloc, it fell. For all intents and purposes, it's dead as a world-wide system. There are a few hangers on which are revolutions waiting to happen. Socialism, the nicer name for it, really isn't doing much better. When there aren't enough people to sustain it, the masses will figure out that it just isn't the way it should be.
"Did you see the recent picture of Alexy and Putin "consulting" on the Our Lady of Kazan icon?"
I did indeed! The fact that Alexy is intent on slapping JPII down with his repeated insults and snubs would suggest to me that the Pope is not one of the communist plants in the Vatican.
OTOH Alexy could have genuinely repented of his collaboration with the communists, and he wants to keep the Vatican hierarchy at a distance because he knows Rome has been compromised.
There are other Vatican factions which Alexy seems more keen to get on side though.
Communism and totalitarianism are by no means dead yet in Russia - and Putin's interest in managing the religious climate there would indicate to me that there are still major political games afoot with respect to the Catholic Church.
I'll put my chips on this one.
Well, they did try to kill him in '45. He was only saved because one Russian general who collected books needed his language ability.
I'm not finding that on line.
His biography says he wasn't even a sub-deacon until 1946.
And getting smaller in September, I hope.
Will keep you and Goetz posted on some travel plans shortly.
I heard an interesting story recently. One of my friends told me that when he was about 6 or 7 years old, he experienced the following. At the time, he was living in the Detroit suburbs and his family attended the Shrine of the Little Flower RC Church (the famous site of Fr. Coughlin's broadcasts). Apparently, some time between 1967 and 1970, a substantial faction of the congregation formed up into some sort of Marxist, Liberation Theology group. After the Detroit riots, they demanded that the church spend money they had earmarked for sanctuary decorations on helping out the "poor victims of the riots." The Church wisely refused to be bludgeoned by Marxists into any sort of thing. The faction then left the Church en masse. There was an errant priest (not sure whether or not he was excommunicated or not) who took up this new flock and ran his own "church" out of the borrowed rooms of a school in inner city Detroit on Sundays and out of his and other peoples' homes on other days. He / they called this thing "The Community" and it apparently went on until at least the early to mid 1970s. I looked all around the web for any references to this and came up dry. Has anyone else here (or anyone you know) ever heard about this apparent sequence of events, and if so, I'd greatly appreciate any details. Thanks!
Fascinating related story (and a question)....
I have never heard anything about the story you related. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see links to Call to Action, FutureChurch, etc. Liberation Theology got a strong foothold in the mainstream Church.
I normally attend Mass in the town I grew up in, about 40 miles from where I live. No Latin Mass is offered there, but the Priest is a decent chap for the most part, and as compared to some of the other hair raising stories reported here, my Church is fine and then some. Although I have the hardest time when he's up in that Pulpit delivering the Sermon, not shooting my arm in the air and asking him to please step aside, and let me deliver it. Very uninsipiring.
Anyway, when I go to Mass here in Rochester, I usually attend the Tridentine, but a couple of times I attended Mass at a Church very near where I live. The last time I attended Mass there, a pamphlet, in newsletter form was distributed. This pamphlet was as Marxist as they come. It called for petitioning the Government for legislation which would limit the use of natural resources by the United States. It encouraged the elimination of the sharing of non-indigenous foods across the US by enacting legislation that would prohibit, or severly reduce and/or penalize shipments from one State to another. It was shocking to see the Church promulgate this kind of mixing of Church and State, with the Church acting as strong arm. As a consequence, I never went back.
Additionally, here in Rochester there is a Priest who has split from the Church; he ordained women as Priests, and I can't remember if he did anything other than that to get the boot, but he now has his own 'Church', which I think is called Spiritus Christi, or some semblance of that. I believe the Bishop of our Diocese removed him from his post at Corpus Christi where he originally served, but don't know if he's formally excommunicated or not, and I've always been curious to know what his status is.
And on final note; do you get a letter from the Pope saying your out of the Church when you're excommunicated? IOW, what legal, binding document do they issue you when you've strayed beyond what they'll tolerate?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.