Posted on 07/29/2004 1:06:48 PM PDT by gobucks
Good luck against Islam
You'll need it.
Is this simply foolish pride or do you really not understand that Mary was conceived mortal and therefore not immaculate? End of discussion.
Again; good luck.
We will take care of your "icons", or whatever you call/do to them.
His work did not become known to the East until the 16th century. He is everything the Orhtodoxy does not teach. His translations of Greek were less than stellar, even wrong. He was a slave to sinful passions and incorporated his own guilt into his theology of the orgiinal sin. The Catholics claim him but so do the Calvinists. I am not sure what the official position of the Orthodox Church is on St. Augustine, but he is never mentioned.
You are missing the symbolism: the East is the source of light, and the West is where the darkness is. When we pray, we turn our back to darkness and face the symbolic Light of God.
The beauty of Orthodoxy is that is believes and demonstrates that what was true and complete 2,000 years ago is still true and complete today. That which is Divine and Holy is eternal and unchanging. Otherwise it is simply a tradition of men.
Bye bye
(and hope that St. Augustine's followers {me included} see you as worthy of the effort.)
Otherwise, go the way of Carthage...
The East is where the Light is?
I never knew Seljuk or Ottoman Turks were the Light...
Enjoy life "in the Light".
gbcdoj - This implies that all the Western Fathers, who unanimously accepted the filioque, were all heretics
Those who accept it and profess it contrary to the Ecumenical Councils are heretics by definition. Those who use it as explanation or as a means of fighting anti-Trinitarian heresies are not.
There is a big, but self-evident difference between the Symbol of Faith of the Church and the explanation of such faith; the two are not identical and are not interchangeable.
Were the Wise Men right?
More importantly, the Ecumenical Councils are part of the Holy Tradition and are infallible. Any deviation from them is equivalent to some Catholics deviating from any pronouncement of the pope ex cathedra -- it is teaching contrary to the teaching of the Church, i.e. a heresy. The Council decisions are final and cannot be changed, altered, rewritten, etc. without except by another Counsil. And since the EC decisions are infallible, they cannot be "retired" or replaced.
The pope knows that. Which is why the Creed in Rome is still recited in Greek and wihtout the Filioque, and why the inscription of the Creed in Rome remains without this heresy.
No! The reason why this is not so is because the Creed was written in Greek and the Greek language distinguishes and uses the word that means "procedes from the origin." There is no ambiguity. The ambiguity and error begins with the Latin translation using the indistinguishable Latin verb "procedere."
The correct interpretation can be made only in the original language and meaning of the source, not from its imperfect linguistic renditions.
I never knew Seljuk or Ottoman Turks were the Light...
Enjoy life "in the Light".
You are priceless. I feel for you.
(and hope that St. Augustine's followers {me included} see you as worthy of the effort.)
Otherwise, go the way of Carthage
You are a fine example and your strength is obvious...you must cut yourself a lot being so sharp.
Well you can start by returning some of the solen property that is hanging in the pope's official quarters.
But I have no doubt that you, whoever you seem to be speaking for (I know it's not all Catholics) would have no problems "taking care" of our icons which you obviously think are not real icons.
Maybe it's time to increase that medication. I think it's not working any more dear lost friend.
Well you can start by returning some of the solen property that is hanging in the pope's official quarters.
But I have no doubt that you, whoever you seem to be speaking for (I know it's not all Catholics) would have no problems "taking care" of our icons which you obviously think are not real icons.
Maybe it's time to increase that medication. I think it's not working any more dear lost friend.
Yes. It is from Jewish roots that the church of Antioch sprang. In fact, the church of Antioch was founded by St. Peter and it was there that the terms "Christian" and "Catholic" were first used. The first Christians were Jews and entire communities came to accept Jesus as the Messiah. Evidence from archaeological studies of Maronite church buildings show that they had earlier been synagogues.
During the many disputes among Christians in the fourth century over the divinity and humanity of Christ, the arguments became heated in Antioch. Under the leadership of St. Maron, the head abbot, monks left the city for peace and quiet. Lay people and clergy -Maronites- followed the monks. Later during the Arab invasion of the Middle East the Maronites fled to the Cyprus and to the safety of the Lebanon mountains.
To this day, the Maronite Church retains its Jewish roots more than any other Catholic rite, as evidenced by its use of Aramaic/Syriac and by the prayers which remain faithful to Semantic and Old Testament forms.
We don't have any of those in my area.
Don't know where you live but you can certainly refer to this listing for an Eastern Rite Catholic church in your area.
Eastern Catholic Churches in the U.S.
But I guess our main reason for going to church should be to get as close to the Truth as you can get.
In the Liturgy of the Word, after reading the gospel, the Maronite priest elevates the Book of the Gospels, proclaims out loud, "This is the Truth!" and then blesses the congregation with the book. The congregation responds by chanting:
Praise, thanksgiving and blessing to Jesus Christ, our Lord.
For giving us His words of life.
If you watched the Canonization Mass from the Vatican in May, one of the newly proclaimed saints was a Maronite monk. During the mass, two deacons - one Roman Catholic, the other Maronite Catholic, both read the gospel. The RC deacon read it in Latin; the Maronite deacon chanted the gospel in Arabic. When he had finished, he held the Book of the Gospels up, made the above proclamation and a Maronite choir responded with the above hymn. His Beatitude Mar Nasrallah Boutros Cardinal Sfeir, Maronite Patriarch of Antioch and all the East, concelebrated the mass with the Holy Father. He is a member of the College of Cardinals.
The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15). Pope John Paul II said that "the Catholic Church is both Eastern and Western."
Truly delusional...the church that is in serious trouble is not the Orthodox. You live in denial.
We did just fine without you for 1,000 years and our Church survived terror and almost a century of communism. So, don't flatter yourself with your pride that we neeed you in any way. If anyone neeeds help, tis the Catholic Church.
Better potlucks?
Not even good lawyers - since they seek ways to break the law not adhere to it.
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