Posted on 07/18/2004 5:14:11 PM PDT by narses
Jesus isn't divine, supernatural, or magical...but his bloodline with Mary Magdalen is!
Hah! (They don't like Aristotle because the church picked him up so they chucked logic, so it seems)
bttt
Yosemite Sam, the cantankerous and rambunctious WarnerBrothers cartoon character, is a fairly good working model of the hoodwinked stooge. More difficult to picture him in a black sorcerer's robe conjuring lesser sprites of Lucifer while impersonating a Catholic clergyman during daylight hours. Harder to imagine Sam weathering through 5 or 6 years of Latin and Greek studies.
One might suspect that Latin was suppressed, along with the Latin Mass, in order to make it easier for impostors and creepy KGB agent types to fake being priests.
Uh...ahem...yeah...
Not Yosemite Sam! I liked to think of him as a decent if somewhat misanthropic conservative who would give PETA a run for their money.
HMBA wrote "Maybe Jahbulon and Moloch speak to them directly, specifying the proper ritual forms and costume wear. [irony]"
well if your heretics are like our heretics (and it certainly seems they are) then that's not entirely ironic. Although 90 percent of them are merely illogical wackos, the other 10 percent dabble in some very dark things indeed; including witchcraft, necromancy, and all sorts of other evil stuff. If one considers the actions of the heretical leadership from this perspective, one can see that at least some of them are actively serving the enemy.
Appealing to pride, greed, power-lust, fear, intimidation, social peer pressure, willingness to compromise moral principles, etc. The reason why when looking at it it all looks so bizarre and is hard to make sense out of is because it was constructed by a non-human mind. [wink]
Okay, I'm going to get openly Charismatic at you for a minute - I hope that neither you, nor any of the other RC folks on this thread find this offensive - appologies in advance if so!
Actually the whole labyrinth fol de rol, as currently used, is designed and intended to accomplish just what you described. If the instructions provided by the various 'pro-labyrinth' organizations are followed the labyrinth itself is laid out in such a manner that it forms a potential...well, call it a 'weak spot' through which spiritual entities (and we're talking demonic entities here) can exert some influence over those humans who move within it's boundaries. All of the 'centering prayer' and meditation nonsense that unsuspecting people are told to do in order to 'enhance their experience walking the labyrinth' has the specific intent of maximizing their vulnerability to external spiritual influences.
One interesting thing a Christian can do, if he has to be around one of these things (not something I recommend, but I understand that some heretical parishes have actually set these things up so you have to walk around them to get into the church building itself) is to -without entering the labyrinth - take a handful of consecrated salt, toss it toward the center of the labyrinth while quietly invoking the Trinity. Sometimes nothing obvious will appear to happen, but other times one can get some really revealing reactions from people who suddenly show up to see what's going on. In any case it isn't a waste of the consecrated salt, for all the obvious reasons.
As for the one historically obvious question: no I do NOT know why there are labyrinths on the floors of some older european cathedrals - either they were used for an entirely different purpose, *or* they may represent an earlier assault on the Church by the enemy. Either way that's one of those issues which would require a lot of research by someone with more resources than myself.
There was an episode of In Search of... once on the Holy Grail legend which discussed an apparent labyrinth structure in the landscape of Glastonbury. The suggestion is that it pre-dates Christianity. What type of rite it was used for, I have no idea. It would certainly be bizarre if it turned out to have any links with a victim sacrificing pagan cult. All those bog men. [eerie horror film sound effects...]
I'll admit that line had me really scared for a few moments... LOL!
There's an article on the topic linked below:
Alice Von Hildebrand: There have been two books published in Italy in recent years that confirm what my husband had been suspecting for some time; namely, that there has been a systematic infiltration of the Church by diabolical enemies for much of this century... The two books I mentioned were published in 1998 and 2000 by an Italian priest, Don Luigi Villa of the diocese of Brescia, who at the request of Padre Pio has devoted many years of his life to the investigation of the possible infiltration of both Freemasons and Communists into the Church. My husband and I met Don Villa in the sixties. He claims that he does not make any statement that he cannot substantiate. When Paulo Sesto Beato? (1998) was published the book was sent to every single Italian bishop. None of them acknowledged receipt; none challenged any of Don Villas claims.
In this book, he relates something that no ecclesiastical authority has refuted or asked to be retracted even though he names particular personalities in regard to the incident. It pertains to the rift between Pope Pius XII and the then Bishop Montini (the future Paul VI) who was his Undersecretary of State. Pius XII, conscious of the threat of Communism, which in the aftermath of World War II was dominating nearly half of Europe, had prohibited the Vatican staff from dealing with Moscow. To his dismay, he was informed one day through the Bishop of Upsala (Sweden) that his strict order had been contravened. The Pope resisted giving credence to this rumor until he was given incontrovertible evidence that Montini had been corresponding with various Soviet agencies. Meanwhile, Pope Pius XII (as had Pius XI) had been sending priests clandestinely into Russia to give comfort to Catholics behind the Iron Curtain. Every one of them had been systematically arrested, tortured, and either executed or sent to the gulag. Eventually a Vatican mole was discovered: Alighiero Tondi, S.J., who was a close advisor to Montini. Tondi was an agent working for Stalin whose mission was to keep Moscow informed about initiatives such as the sending of priests into the Soviet Union.
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SU_Hildebran.html
Alice Von Hildebrand: There have been two books published in Italy in recent years that confirm what my husband had been suspecting for some time; namely, that there has been a systematic infiltration of the Church by diabolical enemies for much of this century...
The two books I mentioned were published in 1998 and 2000 by an Italian priest, Don Luigi Villa of the diocese of Brescia, who at the request of Padre Pio has devoted many years of his life to the investigation of the possible infiltration of both Freemasons and Communists into the Church. My husband and I met Don Villa in the sixties. He claims that he does not make any statement that he cannot substantiate. When Paulo Sesto Beato? (1998) was published the book was sent to every single Italian bishop. None of them acknowledged receipt; none challenged any of Don Villas claims.
In this book, he relates something that no ecclesiastical authority has refuted or asked to be retracted even though he names particular personalities in regard to the incident. It pertains to the rift between Pope Pius XII and the then Bishop Montini (the future Paul VI) who was his Undersecretary of State. Pius XII, conscious of the threat of Communism, which in the aftermath of World War II was dominating nearly half of Europe, had prohibited the Vatican staff from dealing with Moscow. To his dismay, he was informed one day through the Bishop of Upsala (Sweden) that his strict order had been contravened. The Pope resisted giving credence to this rumor until he was given incontrovertible evidence that Montini had been corresponding with various Soviet agencies. Meanwhile, Pope Pius XII (as had Pius XI) had been sending priests clandestinely into Russia to give comfort to Catholics behind the Iron Curtain. Every one of them had been systematically arrested, tortured, and either executed or sent to the gulag. Eventually a Vatican mole was discovered: Alighiero Tondi, S.J., who was a close advisor to Montini. Tondi was an agent working for Stalin whose mission was to keep Moscow informed about initiatives such as the sending of priests into the Soviet Union.
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SU_Hildebran.html
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