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Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary
news.scotsman.com ^ | July 12, 2004

Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by Land of the Irish

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To: broadsword

For a young twit who spends a lot of bandwidth attacking the Pope, you're mighty sensitive to criticism. Sure that you aren't playing the role of you AND that woman friend who suddenly "vanished" from FR?

Sensitivity is usually a property of the females, you know.


61 posted on 07/12/2004 6:11:16 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Desdemona

Way back when, women didn't sit with men (unless they were married to or being escorted by them) at secular events either, and generally stayed in a separate gallery. As secular fashions changed, the Church adapted, knowing what was important and what was merely cultural.

I look like Broomhilda in a hat, so I don't miss them. Some people look great, feminine and dignified, but unfortunately, I'm not one of them. And my hair looks so awful when I take off said hat that I want to shave my head and adopt Orthodox Jewish practice.


62 posted on 07/12/2004 6:12:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: ultima ratio; ninenot
Ninenot published an article from the Milwaukee Catholic newspaper on Saturday. The article included the list of 46 priests who are admitted or convicted abusers in the Milwaukee archdiocese.

23 of them were ordained before 1965, the end of the Council. Eleven were ordained in the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

Acting as if abuse sprung, full flower, after Vatican II is nutty.

63 posted on 07/12/2004 6:14:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: broadsword

I note that you also do not understand the concept of "due process." What would you have "the Vatican" say?

Did GWB have a comment the very minute that AbuGhraib broke?


64 posted on 07/12/2004 6:15:18 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: frnk

"So, in your opinion the Catholic Church has been a 'sinner' within a 'holy' society?"

No, my point is the evils now plaguing the Church came in with a growing liberal attitude toward the sin of homosexuality, together with a breakdown in clerical discipline. This occurred around the time of John XXIII and accelerated during and after the Council.


65 posted on 07/12/2004 6:16:07 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Pio
"Padre Pio pray for us, you recognized the stain of the new Mass"
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Is this Padre Pio recognizing the "stain" of the new Mass?


66 posted on 07/12/2004 6:16:09 PM PDT by frnk
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To: Maximilian; frnk

Maxie, you're into post-hoc/propter-hoc again. Shows poor mental discipline.

But aren't you SSPX?


67 posted on 07/12/2004 6:17:08 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio

"The drop in the number of scandals came, not because of anything JPII did, but because the media had begun exposing the huge number of cases in the 80s."
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Sure, sure.

So, it's the "holy" media versus the "sinful" Pope now?


68 posted on 07/12/2004 6:19:38 PM PDT by frnk
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To: Pio
I have a theory that Satan has always been lurking on the edges

Well, DUUHHHH!!

Where ELSE would Satan lurk--and who ELSE would he most wish to compromise?

You must think Mel Gibson put that character on the Via Dolorosa because it was cute!

69 posted on 07/12/2004 6:19:46 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

This is ANOTHER in a series of problems at this and many seminaries.


70 posted on 07/12/2004 6:21:24 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: frnk

The New Catechism is like his encyclicals--unreadable, full of gobbledegook. On balance, this pope has done more harm than good. In fact, the good has been minimal.


71 posted on 07/12/2004 6:22:30 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ninenot; sinkspur

"But aren't you SSPX?"

That's the same sly slander Deacon Sinkspur tried against me. Since the only "SSPX" members are the ordained clergy and a few who are in the Third Order, it is easily translated into an attempt to ask "But aren't you NOT CATHOLIC?", right? If so, it is a sleazy ad hominem attack worthy of a liar, a democrat or a slanderer, not a fellow member of the Mystical Body of Christ. Or did you get promoted to Vicar of Christ and not tell anyone?


72 posted on 07/12/2004 6:25:11 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses

And certainly the worst that I recall, if the initial press reports are true.

Oesterreich has been a problem for quite a while, and it's complicated by the very active political situation over there.

I forget the name of the guy, but some former muckety-muck was honored by JPII (minor deal)--and was promptly accused of being a Nazi collaborator.

You likely noticed that the Green Party (same bunch as ours here, but MUCH better entrenched and more populous over there) got its nose into this.

Groelsch had "the problem," and obviously he was not the only one. This will bear some watching as it unfolds.


73 posted on 07/12/2004 6:25:40 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Broadsword is a "young twit"? What does that make you--an "old twit"?


74 posted on 07/12/2004 6:25:43 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: sinkspur; ultima ratio; ninenot

How many of the sexually disordered in this seminary predate Vatican II? How many of the scandals Michael Rose documented predate V2?


75 posted on 07/12/2004 6:26:36 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses

No, that's a question.

Remember, Narses: one can easily become schismatic by becoming "attached" to SSPX.

Maxie can answer for himself, I think.


76 posted on 07/12/2004 6:27:13 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: livius
You don't have to wear a hat. I've never seen a woman not look good in a chapel veil.


77 posted on 07/12/2004 6:27:54 PM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: narses; ninenot

You do attend Mass at an SSPX chapel, don't you?


78 posted on 07/12/2004 6:28:16 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: ninenot

"This will bear some watching as it unfolds."

This and HUNDREDS of others, here and abroad. Watching them will be like watching a poor C grade pornfest. Ugh.

July is the Month of the Precious Blood. How many Drops of His Holy Blood are shed for these sins?


79 posted on 07/12/2004 6:28:33 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: sinkspur

You keep mentioning many of the priests were ordained before Vatican II. This proves only that they kept their proclivities under wraps until discipline was relaxed following the Council. Even THEY admit this was in fact the case, when interviewed.


80 posted on 07/12/2004 6:28:48 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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