Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
Roman Catholic leaders in Austria called an emergency meeting today after officials discovered a vast cache of photos and videos allegedly depicting young priests having sex at a seminary.
About 40,000 photographs and an undisclosed number of films, including child pornography, were downloaded on computers at the seminary in St Poelten, about 50 miles west of Vienna, the respected news magazine Profil reported.
Officials with the local diocese declined to comment but were meeting privately on the scandal, Austrian state television reported.
It said the seminarys director, the Rev Ulrich Kuechl, and his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe, had resigned.
The Austrian Bishops Conference issued a statement today pledging a full and swift investigation.
Anything that has to do with homosexuality or pornography has no place at a seminary for priests, it said.
Church officials discovered the material on a computer at the seminary, Profil said. It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other and engaging in orgies and sex games.
The child porn came mostly from web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.
Bishop Kurt Krenn, a conservative churchman who oversees the St Poelten Diocese, told Austrian television he had seen photos of seminary leaders in sexual situations with students. Krenn, however, dismissed the photos as silly pranks that had nothing to do with homosexuality.
A group of St. Poelten Diocese officials planned to ask the Vatican to remove Krenn as bishop, Austrian radio reported.
Vatican spokesman Ciro Benedettini told the Austria Press Agency that the Holy See had no comment.
Krenn, 68, issued a statement calling the accusations groundless while conceding that he may have made some wrong personnel decisions at the seminary.
there is no authority if the subjects won't abide ....
I read somewhere that the Catholic Church is actually in schism, because the American Bishops will not listen....
and if a frail elderly Pope is surrended by back-stabbing leftist, then how would he know of any of this.....
just where do we "trying to be traditional" Catholics go if this evil is not stopped...
for sure, my money won't go to the present Church if this continues....
LOL......I remember the nuns having extra "veils" that you could "rent" for a dime when the whole class went to church on the First Fridays....
and the nuns had ties to "rent" to the boys if they forgot theirs.....
I remember a circular doly type thing and also a triangular lacy thing that you could put on your head.....
The "good old days" are still here at my parish. Every woman wears something on her head in church. And we have a basket of extra veils for anyone that forgot hers. But we don't charge a dime, it's free to use one. I bet those dimes went to the missions, by the way.
Ummmmhhh, your professionally-learned and -practiced obscurantism is NOTHING compared to that of the schismatics and their adherents.
Glad you made it all so clear for us.
(Tune: Some Enchanted Evening...)
Some Enchanting Schism....
You have met the Tempter!
You have seen the Devil, across a crowded room....
And somehow you know,
This Schism's for MEeeeeeee!
(Etc.,etc., etc.)
"Perhaps the punishment of Weakland..."
That was part of the irony - Weakland was not punished! JPII REFUSED his resignation at first, and then he was ALLOWED to retire. If you can find a declaration of schism or excommunication of Weakland I would like to see it. His payoff of his lover as we know was the tip of the iceburg, yet as far as I know he never received ANY canonical punishment.
"Your screenname is new (6/8/04). What names have you used here previously or simultaneously?"
I have never posted before June, nor do I have any other screennames.
"Is the pope Catholic? Do you accept his authority and submit to him in obedience as Vicar of Christ on Earth?"
I believe the pope is Catholic and I submit to him as I am obligated to do, just as I do my bishop. I will defend the pope when he is unjustly accused., just like I would defend those who attack Pius XII as "Hitler's pope". But I will not blindly obey my bishop who prays with Protestants on St. Patrick's day and protects homo/pedophile priests, one of whom was at my local parish.
Again, Paul VI and JPII that I quoted regarding apostasy would not qualify if they were speaking of SSPX. Apostasy is a falling away from the faith, to no longer believe in what it teaches. Now Paul VI said it had infiltrated the Church to a large extent, even unto the highest levels - this could not be the SSPX in the 70's or today as you well know. And if JPII did declare the SSPX were schismatic, they could not be part of the "silent apostasy" in the Church he described. So the revolution that is apostasizing that the popes described must be the NO clergy. And you are going to follow these clergy, right or wrong? According to your own qualifications, I must conclude you will be schismatic if you don't obey your clergy right or wrong. This will make you part and parcel of the revolution. Am I wrong?
Tune: Pick-a-Little (Music Man)
Pick a nitty,
Pick a nitty,
CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP
Pick a lot,
Pick a nitty more,
(etc.)
Thanks. Your report comports with my understanding of the whole brouhaha.
Do these unamed Lebanese people have some sort of supernatural gifts that make them omnipitent - unlike non-Lebanese people, of course.
No, they are neither omniSCIENT (like the SSPX propagandists) nor omniPOTENT.
They are, however, (at least) BI-lingual.
I expect that next, you will bring out an Ebonics instructor to make the claim that Christ actually misspoke and he meant to say "for all".
Actually, I'll be seeing our pastor on Saturday night, as we start a week long Novena to St. Ann. His response should be very intriguing, given the fact that he is bi-ritual.
You are right in one thing. JP II in speaking of "silent apostasy" was obviously not speaking of Marcel's nervy little schism which is silent about as often as it is obedient to the Holy Father. Noisy nuisance/noisy apostasy/relentless pope-bashing schism: certainly on all three counts. Catholic never.
We will pray that your diocese and your parish be delivered from such irresponsibles as those of whom you complain but the answer is not the Lefebvrite schism or any other. Christ's promises to His Church are still good.
My pastor does not have the full power of the keys only what is delegated. Even my saintly bishop Thomas Doran does not have the full power of the keys. JP II has the power of the keys and no one need fear following him instead of following dead and excommunicated Marcel the Defiant and Disobedient.
If your circumstances ecclesiastically are as bad as you indicate (and who can doubt that AmChurch has victimized your diocese and its faithful Catholics), Rockford, Illinois is a very sound diocese and Doran a terrific bishop. If your station in life allows, move here, enjoy twice daily Tridentine Masses at St. Mary's Oratory, Tridentine everything in terms of sacraments, presided over by a priest of the all-Tridentine Institute of Christ the King Sovereign priest or attend early Sunday Tridentinme Masses at St. Patrick's, also in Rockford, with first rate and hard core diocesan priests who preside over that otherwise NO parish. There are no lavender Louies tolerated in this diocese. One priest has been charged during Doran's tenure. He was accused and pled guilty in criminal court to criminally touching two teenaged girls at a Catholic High School where he had been vice principal. He was suspended as a priest by Doran almost before that priest knew he was arrested. TAN Books and Publishers, as good a Catholic publisher as exists, is headquartered in Rockford.
If you cannot move, then you cannot but we moved a thousand miles to get here to live in Doran's diocese. It was worth it for the kids.
I was suggesting that God might punish both Weakland and Marcel by making them roommates in an overheated afterlife.
The schism that Paul VI and John Paul II described as "silent apostasy" might be the Thuc line or many other schisms less noisy than Marcel's parrots. It may also be the apostasy described to four young girls in purported apparitions of the BVM at Garabandel, Spain (never approved by ecclesiastical authority) in the early 1960s that claimed that the worst problem facing the Church is that of "faithless priests leading their flocks intentionally to perdition."
Finally, even in Rockford, my clergy is not clothed with ultimate earthly authority as is my pope and, if you are Catholic, your pope.
Do you really expect a priest who offers the novus ordo to admit that there's an error in that Mass?
((((((electronic handshake))))))
We must have attended the same catholic elementary school ... lol! One book you MUST read is! It features Fr. WhatAWaste and Sr. Mary HolyCard.
I remember a circular doly type thing and also a triangular lacy thing that you could put on your head....."
You mean these ... they're still 'de rigueur' at the Indult Tridentine Rite.
Grey Ghost II: Are you appropriating the name of the immortal Moseby of Virginia???
BS: Actually, apropos of another of your posts referencing "Sieg Heil", you may have forgotten in your customary snarling frenzy that Karol Wojtlywa was a civilian engaged in the anti-Nazi underground in Poland well before entering upon his studies for the priesthood, that his girlfriend of that period was summarily executed by the Gestapo on her way home from a theater rehearsal of a group involving him and her, and very long before he became John Paul II. AND, you seem to have ignored or forgotten the rule that he or she who references Nazism first in an argument loses.
I know you believe all that quite sincerely and that you are therefore sincerely wrong.
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