Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
Roman Catholic leaders in Austria called an emergency meeting today after officials discovered a vast cache of photos and videos allegedly depicting young priests having sex at a seminary.
About 40,000 photographs and an undisclosed number of films, including child pornography, were downloaded on computers at the seminary in St Poelten, about 50 miles west of Vienna, the respected news magazine Profil reported.
Officials with the local diocese declined to comment but were meeting privately on the scandal, Austrian state television reported.
It said the seminary’s director, the Rev Ulrich Kuechl, and his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe, had resigned.
The Austrian Bishops Conference issued a statement today pledging a full and swift investigation.
“Anything that has to do with homosexuality or pornography has no place at a seminary for priests,” it said.
Church officials discovered the material on a computer at the seminary, Profil said. It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other and engaging in orgies and sex games.
The child porn came mostly from web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.
Bishop Kurt Krenn, a conservative churchman who oversees the St Poelten Diocese, told Austrian television he had seen photos of seminary leaders in sexual situations with students. Krenn, however, dismissed the photos as “silly pranks” that “had nothing to do with homosexuality”.
A group of St. Poelten Diocese officials planned to ask the Vatican to remove Krenn as bishop, Austrian radio reported.
Vatican spokesman Ciro Benedettini told the Austria Press Agency that the Holy See had no comment.
Krenn, 68, issued a statement calling the accusations groundless while conceding that he “may have made some wrong personnel decisions” at the seminary.
The changes to the Mass began in the mid 60s.
Like altar girls and stuff?
That's big of you. Unfortunately, I couldn't care less what the FR Living Magisterium decrees. Your authority exists in your own minds.
2. Gorbachev????????? Courageous????????? He was the Deputy Director of the Soviet KGB serving under Director Yuri Andropov on the day that the Bulgarian KGB at their request succeeded in using Mehmet Ali Agca in the attempted assassination of John Paul II in Vatican Square. Gorbachev is, was and, apparently, always will be Marxist-Leninist trash. He merely was present to acknowledge the collapse of the Soviet Union which is now being patiently rebuilt by Putin.
3. Read George Weigel's book on the collapse of the Soviet Union and his biography of JP II.
4. Also, don't underestimate Maggie Thatcher's contribution to the effort.
In the cyberworld they can feel... Grand, for the first time in their lives.
It is not as though Monsignor has any actual authority to correct the pope any more than rebellious Marcel or the rebellious Luther did.
BTW, that was a papal JUDGMENT that SSPX is a schism and its ringleaders excommunicated and not a mere charge.
As to Clemens/Piazza, there is a difference tonight. This time, as catcher, Piazza will have a valid excuse for his head to be in Mr. Clemens' strike zone. Also, Clemens won't be throwing anything at him other than the ball. The Yankees stand ready to take Clemens back at any time.
At the Novus Ordo Mass, is the bread and wine transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?
If the answer to those two questions is yes, what is the problem? Pope St. Pius V (Quo Primum) had no power to bind his successors on matters of prudential judgment arising in their future times. Doctrine is one thing but the exact rubrics used at Mass fall into the category of prudential judgment. If you think there are doctrinal problems with the Novus Ordo you are wrong.
You may well argue that the NO is a low rent set of rubrics and that the Tridentine is a far superior cultural experience. I would agree on both counts. As a Catholic, you cannot very well refuse to satisfy your Mass obligations unless you have your preferred rubrics.
I really cannot be dragooned into reading lengthy quoted passages from the printed propaganda of the schism and I won't be. Suffice it to say that, if those cardinals convened by Paul VI, wanted to "get" Marcel and shutter Econe, they may have been remarkably prescient in anticipating, 14 years in advance, that a schism is a schism and that Marcel needed excommunication.
Has anyone else noticed that the crowd trying to pull the thread, spam the thread and/or distract it to an attack on the traditionalists has said nothing to criticize their special gentle priests and seminarians having the gay orgy and storing pedophilia, sodomite and beastiality images on their computers?
Gosh, it would seem like an attempt to cover for the lavender set.
Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."
I am not hibernating. I am just terribly bored by the persistance of the schismatic few in following their excommunicated little cadre of defiant leaders and their rejection of papal authority. I do have a life to live and I have contributed plenty of precious time to opposing the schism. I will no doubt contribute more. It does, however come as a relief to pass the baton to the other actual Catholics here to deal with the schism.
I have the Roman and actual (not the Econian and counterfeit) Catholic Faith in communion with Rome and the pope, have hope in the ecclesiastical sense but there is no reason to hope that schism will not be schism (A is A) but rather hope that it will be luxuriously punished as it should be, and charity does not require dishonesty. The schism is what it is. Its excommunicated fraud/bishops are who and what they are, dead or alive. Its adherent schismatics are what they are. There is such a thing as objective reality.
"Pope St. Pius V (Quo Primum) had no power to bind his successors on matters of prudential judgment arising in their future times."
That is not in question. But rather, Paul VI never abrogated the Mass that St. Pius V decreed with the NO Missae. Read Paul VI's decree - he only decreed 3 new eucharistic prayers and the words of consecration. Too bad the ICEL couldn't even get those straight...
Therefore there is no obligation to attend the NO, and Quo Primum is still in force - like it or not.
I guess the truth must hurt. BTW, for the record, I could cvare less who you are or where you live. If you should want us to know, I feel sure you will tell us. I am not part of a posse in any event. Get a grip.
Speaking of timelines, you might do well to read more recent Davies, wherein he makes clear his agreement that SSPX is a bunch of excommunicandi.
The rest of your post is the usual self-entertainment in which you please yourself to advance schism as thjough it were the Faith. The fact that neither you nor the other schismatics are in charge of the pope cannot be made too often. You don't like him. You despise him. You revile him. He excommunicated your heroes and adjudged SSPX a schism which it is. You don't like it? Tough!
The Pharisees live on in SSPX and its adherents.
Nice exegesis, by the way.
"You like the part about the validity of the schismatic Masses..."
The "Tridentine" Mass is not schismatic. You are confusing an individual with a sacrament. Don't confuse a valid sacrament and the clergy that offer it. Example: Does an unrepentant faggot NO priest who performs a sacraligious NO "Mass" invalidate all NO "Masses"?
Those who have nothing negative to say about the gay orgy seminary and Lavender Mafia WITHIN the Church are just trying to spam the thread into silent oblivion by harping about those OUTSIDE the Church.
Why they are so protective of the lavender mafia is the interesting question, but that should be reserved for another thread since this one WAS about the problems WITHIN the Church.
More things that make you go, "Hmmm..."
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