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Cardinal Ratzinger said, "The minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it."
RenewAmerica.us ^ | July 6, 2004 | Barbara Kralis

Posted on 07/07/2004 3:33:11 PM PDT by Polycarp IV

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To: dubyaismypresident
And the votes.

All those dumb liberals enslaved to the Dems. And Lucifer.

21 posted on 07/07/2004 6:11:23 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Kerry is so much against Catholic teaching...why does he even bother to go to Mass?

He does so because Amchurch prelates(e.g. McCarrick, O'Malley...) and laymen can than justify to themselves a reason to vote for him; just like they've always kept the Kennedys in office.

Same reason Kerry worshipped at and received "communion" in an AME church: to get their votes also. I believe that latter sacrilege occurred on Palm Sunday of this year.

22 posted on 07/07/2004 6:22:50 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Ditto. As I said about the Kennedy's Trojan Horse on another thread:

The Kennedys seem to have played a pivotal role in diminishing Catholicism in exchange for mere temporal power and vacuous stylishness (acceptance by liberal elites). Silly.

Imagine trading Heaven for looking cool at a Massachusetts beach vacation and being accepted by other annoying, liberal Harvard people. You get the idea. It's that dumb. Sad. Pathetic. Evil is banal.

23 posted on 07/07/2004 6:28:18 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Land of the Irish

I wouldn't want to single out the Irish because other groups are guilty of this as well (Cuomo comes to mind),
but it seems like there is a very specific strain of Irish Catholics from the American urban experience who are so obsessed with social status and making it into the "elite" of modern American culture that they are willing to sell their souls to Satan.


24 posted on 07/07/2004 6:30:21 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Land of the Irish
And Kerry's NOT really Irish, of course.
25 posted on 07/07/2004 6:31:03 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Land of the Irish

Speaking of the banality of evil, Joe Kennedy essentially sold his soul in order to be an errand boy for FDR and to be accepted by Harvard people. Good grief!


26 posted on 07/07/2004 6:34:25 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The minister of Holy Communion MUST refuse to distribute it" [5] when warning and counsel given to the manifest sinner "have not had their effect."

Maybe McCarrick thought the operative words were "warning and counsel." Are pro-aborts supposed to be warned personally or is it enough that Church teaching regarding abortion is generally known?

27 posted on 07/07/2004 6:48:06 PM PDT by perform_to_strangers
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To: B Knotts

Wrong, B.

ICEL-ization of "must" becomes:

"woulda, coulda, shoulda. (Pick one)"


28 posted on 07/07/2004 6:51:12 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur

Based on your comment, then the Code's provisions about giving the Sacrament to the unworthy come into play, eh?


29 posted on 07/07/2004 6:52:44 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: perform_to_strangers; Land of the Irish; narses; AAABEST
The decision on this should not have devolved to entrusting one man (McCarrick). If it was going to be one man they should have chosen Chaput, Burke, or Bruskewitz. Also, the Pope himself should speak on this now. Directly. In writing. In bold print.

It's not just the Kerry issue. You can't have adult Catholics in positions of authority and influence wandering around misrepresenting and distorting Catholic teachings on grave matter with apparent impunity. Cuomo did this. The Kennedys have done it for years. And now BOTH Kerry and McCarrick and many other Catholic bishops and laity are joining in. It HAS to stop.

The Vatican should issue a clear statement signed by every official member of the hierarchy in Rome.

30 posted on 07/07/2004 6:53:46 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

If you are referring to Joe Kennedy's business of running liquor during Prohibition as 'selling his soul,' we should have a long talk.

Although he was a criminal for that, it's my opinion that the UltimaRatio argument has validity in this case: "the greater good."

Whatever ELSE he did might have been 'selling his soul.'


31 posted on 07/07/2004 6:55:40 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Based on your comment, then the Code's provisions about giving the Sacrament to the unworthy come into play, eh?

Yes. But any determination to deny will be made by the pastor or bishop, and not a deacon or lay minister.

32 posted on 07/07/2004 6:56:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: ninenot

I am definitely NOT referring to anything having to do with running beer trucks.


33 posted on 07/07/2004 6:56:53 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: perform_to_strangers

I think the Canon Law requires either a face-to-face conversation about it or a clearly-worded letter.

Bp Burke, while in LaCrosse, sent a letter to three CINO Dimowits, first class mail, explaining their problem.


34 posted on 07/07/2004 6:57:16 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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McCarrick is a coward and a heretic (IMHO) desperately searching for a justification to keep supporting pro-death socialists.


35 posted on 07/07/2004 7:15:51 PM PDT by kjvail (Light 'em up George!!!!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The Vatican should issue a clear statement signed by every official member of the hierarchy in Rome.

The Holy Father stated as much in Ecclesia de Eucharistia:

Along these same lines, the Catechism of the Catholic Church rightly stipulates that “anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion”. I therefore desire to reaffirm that in the Church there remains in force, now and in the future, the rule by which the Council of Trent (*) gave concrete expression to the Apostle Paul's stern warning when it affirmed that, in order to receive the Eucharist in a worthy manner, “one must first confess one's sins, when one is aware of mortal sin”.

The judgment of one's state of grace obviously belongs only to the person involved, since it is a question of examining one's conscience. However, in cases of outward conduct which is seriously, clearly and steadfastly contrary to the moral norm, the Church, in her pastoral concern for the good order of the community and out of respect for the sacrament, cannot fail to feel directly involved. The Code of Canon Law refers to this situation of a manifest lack of proper moral disposition when it states that those who “obstinately persist in manifest grave sin” are not to be admitted to Eucharistic communion.

(*)Council of Trent, Session XIII, Canon 11. If anyone says that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist, let him be anathema. And lest so great a sacrament be received unworthily and hence unto death and condemnation, this holy council ordains and declares that sacramental confession, when a confessor can be had, must necessarily be made beforehand by those whose conscience is burdened with mortal sin, however contrite they may consider themselves. Moreover, if anyone shall presume to teach, preach or obstinately assert, or in public disputation defend the contrary, he shall be excommunicated.

36 posted on 07/07/2004 7:27:44 PM PDT by lrslattery (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam - http://slatts.blogspot.com)
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To: ninenot

No, his real screwing of the people was when he manipulated the stock market and Roosevelt thought he was so good at it he gave Kennedy the job as the first chairman of the SEC.


37 posted on 07/07/2004 9:47:54 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: seamole; ninenot
I'm tempted to LOL, but it's all rather too sad to laugh about, isn't it?

Still, I love the bracketed, omittable part! :-)

38 posted on 07/07/2004 9:50:39 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Polycarp IV

bump, and thanks.


39 posted on 07/07/2004 10:11:23 PM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Imagine trading Heaven for looking cool at a Massachusetts beach vacation and being accepted by other annoying, liberal Harvard people.

This does not make one look cool.

40 posted on 07/07/2004 11:03:53 PM PDT by Desdemona ("He throws like a girl." - my mom's observation of John Kerry)
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