Posted on 06/30/2004 6:04:55 AM PDT by Polycarp IV
I meant that I would never try to aggressively convert anyone who is happy in their path to God. If someone is searching, not feeling connected to God, then I would be happy to help them understand God and get closer to Him as best I could. And I have spent a lot of time doing just that.
To try to pry someone away from their religious faith would be fanatical. If someone is faithfully practicing the Catholic religion, I'm happy with that. Love for God is the goal, that's all.
However, she is far more "Catholic" in her world view than the vast majority of American Catholic bishops. Her views on morality are almost 100% in accord with Catholic moral theology.
So though we do not consider her a fellow Christian, she is a fellow monotheistic believer and a solid reliable ally in the culture wars. I also consider her a personal friend, and we have had extensive conversations offline about the culture wars and the ability of Catholics to work hand in hand in fighting for morality with practicing Hindus like her. Please treat her with the dignity and repect she deserves for her courageous witness in the culture wars, especially pro-life and homosexuality battles.
Good, it will foster better understanding among us all. Thank you for having the charity to respond calmly on this thread, my FRiend.
Look, it doesn't matter what Hindus believe, whether it's a monotheistic or polytheistic faith. The particulars are irrelevant. Our problem is not with them, our problem is with the clergy who have permitted this--and that must include the pontiff.
What is annoying is that already there are those on this site eager to alter their psychologies to accept the abomination. You offer information and they are avid to absorb it--as if it might mitigate what has happened. They want to believe there's some answer to this besides the fact that it is a sacrilege allowed by those at the top.
On these things I agree.
However, little jeremiah is on my ping list and is a trusted, reliable friend in the culture wars. Frankly, she does far MORE to fight the secular humanist and homosexualist agendas on THIS FORUM that the majority of self proclaimed trads here.
So take your petty insults and shove them.
8-) From her other posts I would have guessed she was Catholic.
Are you Indian? Regardless, what's your take on the Hindu/Muslim relationship in India?
Exactly which belief is it that makes me part of the problem - that Indians are good people and make for good neighbors or that the Blessed Mother can lead people to Our Lord?
Don't you know any other tunes?
First of all, you need to respect the fact that people who post are just names on a screen to some of us. I didn't have the inside knowledge of this person as you have and couldn't know her background nor her intent. I just read words in a post. I didn't even know "Jeremiah" was a she, let alone a Hindu. To me she sounded like another Catholic all too eager to apologize for the Pope.
That said, I apologize if I have offended someone of another faith who was trying to be helpful. But the real issue for Catholics is what this Fatima incident portends, not how we can better understand the Hindu religion. To my mind it portends heresy and sacrilege and illustrates conclusively that people at the top are not true Catholics. That is anger-provoking--and I probably was a little curt with her as a result--but meant no offense.
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The issue is not whether Indians are good people. The issue is what are they doing praying to false gods at our altars in violation of the first commandment? The issue is not how much more we can learn about Hinduism so we can all be good neighbors. The issue is why has a sacrilege been allowed to be perpetrated on our altars? My gripe with you and some others here is you are changing the subject and already buying into the attitude of the Vatican--the let's-all-be-good-neighbors-and-share-our-churches bit. I'm not buying such excuses for heresy--they only stifle appropriate outrage. We can be good neighbors over lunch--not at the altar.
OK, thanks. I apologize for over reacting.
I don't know why you would be so opposed to learning about Hinduism. I for one don't believe my faith would be challenged by it. I think it's important for us to understand the basics of other faiths so that we will be less likely to fall prey to their errors.
If you don't believe Our Lady can bring people to her Son then perhaps you are not a real Catholic afterall. Our Lady appeared in the town of Fatima, which was named after Mohammed's daughter, who incidentally, became a Catholic. I don't think it's a stretch to hope that Our Lady of Fatima will bring the Muslims back into the fold. I have been praying for their conversion since 9/11. Now, I will also pray that she will lead the Hindus to her son.
oops. "son" should read Son.
"Predictably, the enablers of the “New Fatima” such as Father Robert J. Fox ridiculed our efforts and tried to dissuade Catholics from taking us seriously. Father Fox, on an April 25 EWTN broadcast, claimed that the reports about the interfaith activity at Fatima were nothing but "fabrications,” that he knows Shrine Rector Guerra personally, and that Rector Guerra would never allow such interfaith activities to take place. Less than two weeks after this EWTN broadcast, the Fatima Shrine was desecrated by pagan worship, with the blessing of Rector Guerra and the Bishop of Leiria- Fatima."
Do you know if Fr. Fox has issued any reaction to these images of abomination at all?
I need a good laugh from time to time.
However, we have no proof that the altar at which they are worshipping their deities is the altar at the Fatima Shrine, and unless you know them personally, how can you be sure that this is the Rector of the Shrine and the local bishop?
As Fr. Fox must know them personally, maybe someone could forward him the photos and ask for his confirmation of the identity of these stupid old men. (sarcasm off)
I predict a complete mainstream Catholic media blackout on this issue. And I doubt Fr. Fox will issue any retractions based on the work of a Grunerite, even if said Grunerite is 100% correct in this sole instance.
"I predict a complete mainstream Catholic media blackout on this issue."
Unfortunately, your prediction is almost certain to be fulfilled.
Do any of y'all over there phone into the Catholic Answers open forums at all? Maybe someone could ask Karl Keating or Jimmy Akin what their reaction is to these events on a live show.
"And I doubt Fr. Fox will issue any retractions based on the work of a Grunerite, even if said Grunerite is 100% correct in this sole instance."
Well, why let truth interfere with one's prejudices? Though this certainly is a major score in the credibility stakes for the "Grunerites" and the SSPX who protested at the original conference.
Who's trying to convert anybody? Do you think you do it by talking nice on a thread? Get real! Besides, I never mentioned demons--I simply made the point that Hindu priests have no business worshiping their gods at our altars, period! My anger is not directed at Hindus, it's directed at the foolishness of those who chat about being good neighbors when the house is on fire.
Nor am I opposed to learning about Hinduism--but that's not the issue. The issue is what are Hindu priests doing worshiping at our altars? You want to change the subject and deflect people's anger. The absurdity you bring up about the name of Fatima indicates to me you've already been duped by the left who have been spreading that tripe. The truth is that those who permitted this abomination are no more Catholic than the Hindus they have accommodated.
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