Posted on 06/30/2004 6:04:55 AM PDT by Polycarp IV
...this is the same Msgr. Guerra who hosted the Interfaith Congress at Fatima in October 2003. I traveled to Fatima to attend the event and reported on it in recent issues of CFN. It was a Congress that would have horrified all pre-Vatican II Popes, had any one of them walked in on it.
The first two days of the Congress contained "Catholic" speakers promoting the ecumenical agenda. On the third day — Sunday — representatives of Catholicism, the Schismatic Orthodox, Anglicanism, Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism each gave testimony of the importance of "sanctuary" within their various creeds. At the Congress:
The ecumenical theologian Father Jacques Dupuis called the defined dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation", a "horrible text" that must be rejected;
Dupuis claimed that all religions are positively willed by God and that non-Catholics do not have to convert to the one true Catholic Church for unity and salvation. He said that Catholics and non-Catholics are equal members in the "Reign of God".
Dupuis also said that the purpose of ecumenical dialogue is not to convert others to the Catholic Church, but to make "a Christian a better Christian, a Hindu a better Hindu";
Dupuis said further that the Holy Ghost is present and operative in the "sacred books" and "sacred rites" of Buddhism and Hinduism;
The Congress speakers placed all religious sanctuaries on the same level, whether they be the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima, the Mecca of Islam or the Kyoto of Shintoism.
Father Arul Irudayam, Rector of the Marian Shrine in Vailankanni, India told the audience on Sunday that Hindus now perform their pagan rituals inside the Sanctuary of the Catholic Shrine.
These and other outrages elicited nothing but praise and applause from the audience, including applause from Shrine Rector Guerra, the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, and the Apostolic Delegate of Portugal.5 (I was an eyewitness to their reaction). Cardinal Policarpo of Lisbon, and Archbishop Fitzgerald from the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, also voiced approval for the ecumenical errors spouted at the Congress.6
News also surfaced that Fatima would now become an "Interfaith Shrine," where all religions would be allowed to perform their pagan rituals. Archbishop Fitzgerald and Rector Guerra issued half-hearted denials of this. But their denials only affirmed the ecumenical and pan-religious orientation now underway at Fatima.7
Yet because of these half-hearted denials, many shallow individuals — who should know better — exclaimed that there is no danger of Fatima losing its Catholic identity because Church officials have told us that Fatima will not be an interfaith Shrine.
From http://www.fatima.org/060304rit.htm
The Christians in India are being Hinduized. They are having hindu type cerimonies in Catholic Churches in India. They are starting to loose their Catholic faith.
I am sure they are discriminated against and persecuted. Many however are becoming Hinduized in order to fit in.
Catholics Consider Including Sanskrit in Prayers... Nietzche said, what does not kill us makes us ... level of understanding his criticisms of Ratzinger are based ... a socio-poltical agenda, why is Teilhard de Chardin ... (This stuff on Nietzche and Teilhard was on the site.)
http://www.hindu-religion.net/showflat/cat/sanskrit/30823/2/collapsed/5/o/2
Enculturation” which is a euphemism for sycratism destroyes religious tradition when it is placed into the liturgy. We see this problem happening in India with the hinduization of the Catholic Church under the diretion of Archbishop Lourdusamy of Bangalore (later made Cardinal by John Paul II). The subversion of the Catholic faith in India is explained in Victor Kulanday’s The Paganization of the Church in India in which he warns if “the craze to pagnize isn’t given up the 21st Century will only see a hybrid form form of Christianity..perishing.” You can barely tell the diffence in some Novus Ordo parishes in that country and Hindu temples. Cornelia R. Ferreira an Indian born author residing in Canada explained this situation in “Mother Teresa ‘Beatified’ with Idolatrous Rites”. She explains that by 1969 the Catholic Bishops Conference (an organ of collegiality) in the name of enculturation incorporated twelve Hindu gestures and rituals into the Sacrifice of the Mass thus Hinduizing it. Ferreira points out the revelutionaries cleverly called “this panthiestic hodge-podge” “adapting the Indian peoples way of expressing reverence”, then she explains how Archbishop Piero Marini the Pope’s Master of Ceremonies employed during this Beatification Mass for Mother Teresa a triple arati ritual by young ladies (Marini) or seven nuns (The Tribune).
Next she describes the elaborate Hindu ritual of waving a tray of flowers, with a light in the middle, incense and the ringing of bells, accompanied by a Hindu Tamil hymn and rythmic dancing. John Cotter the son of a Brittish father and an Indian mother (his mother was Hindu) wrote “Syncretism : Imminent and Deadly Threat to Our Roman Catholic Faith” and A Study in Syncretism which is a good expose on how devastating this revolutionary movement has been we see the following on pgs 4-5.
“ In an introduction to the book The World’s Great Religions , the late Paul HUTCHINSON a distinguished Methodist minister who for many years was editor of the Christian Century magazine, said:
‘With increasing frequency comes a proposal that man-. kind’s future spiritual welfare would be insured if the major religions would recognize their essential unity of purpose and drop their differences to merge in a synthesis of the beliefs on which they can agree. Arnold Toynbee is perhaps the most influential Westerner who hopes for some such “syncretism.” “The four higher religions now alive,” he writes, “are four variations on a single theme. If all the four components of this heavenly music of the spheres could be audible on Earth simultaneously, and ~with equal clarity, to one pair of human ears, the happy hearer would find himself listening not to a discord, but to a harmony.
14."Mother Theresa ‘Beatified’ with Idolatrous Rites" by Cornelia R. Ferreira in Catholic Family News, January 2004 p.13.
13 Ibid. p. 14-15.
Word chopping doesn't change reality.
So true.
But it can fool many people, people with less discernment than you and I.
Watch out that you not get banned for your clear vision and courage. Evil always seeks to sink that which is good.
That'll teach you!
Oh, I know. The Coven has tried time and again to provoke me into losing my temper. They haven't yet.
"There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure."
There's no problem on the inside of a heresy that the outside of a Modernist can't ignore, ridiclue or lie about. Your willingness to play games here rather than stand up for God and His Altar speaks volumes Deacon, just volumes.
You invite me on to a thread, I say I'm not interested, then you accuse me of playing games?
You just want to fight.
Be careful. You pick on dogs, I've got two males, and they can raise their right back legs pretty high.
No Deacon, I was hoping against hope that you'd see the TRUTH and ACT like a man. Instead you turn a blind eye. So sad.
See my posts 42 and 45.
I posted this thread, and I pinged little jeremiah to this thread, because little jeremiah is a friend and ally and is on my ping list.
If you don't like little jeremiah participating in this thread, YOU go find another thread.
You're what I classify as "Deep Catholics". Whether traditional, orthodox, conservative or whatever, Deep Catholics understand the source of their religion and are very knowledgeable and dedicated to the historical faith, even though such may manifest itself in different ways.
You may have particular problems with say the SSPX, but aside from that you're out in the world furthering a richer, more traditional and more meaningful Catholic worship.
As Paul said we have the hands, the eyes, the feet. Some even speak in tongues.
Thank you. I fear you may flatter me, but I am a convert who studied the Faith with great care both before and since my Baptism. Is there anything more important?
God's happiness is what you should be concerned about.
God help us!
I noticed kneelers at the Altar Rail (wall), which is nice, but can't see either the Tabernacle in any of these photos nor kneelers at the pews.
What do you call a wreckovation if it's a new building?
Well, excuuuuuuse me!
I do not like the sarcastic tone of your post and so choose not to answer your questions.
God's ways are not yours, GGII.
His Grace leads to discernment. The Spirit doesn't move at the point of a sword, but in the gentle breeze.
Your choice. I've never been happy with the supercillious tone of your posts, but I've tried to be civil. Sorry if you failed to appreciate the sarcasm in the manner it was intended. You might reread your own post and ask yourself how others might view your words. Just a thought.
In Lost Angeles they call it "The Temple of Doom", or "The Taj Mahony".
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