Posted on 06/27/2004 9:27:55 PM PDT by MegaSilver
narses,What do run for the Catholic church.
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Makes no sence to me too but I thought I made a point-let me rethread please,thank you .
narses,I have no idea what my point was .Sorry.
A man writes a book showing that gays have taken over the seminaries in America, that good, devout, straight young men are being deliberately weeded out--and the National Catholic Register has a hizzy fit because Rose got a few of his facts wrong? Excuse me, but that's sick--and that rag is part of the problem. They should have been yelling for heads to roll.
narses,Ok ,You are saying there was an investigation that whitewashed the lavender mafia..What is the lavender mafia.
sense
I don't even have to scroll down to see who will, doubtlessly, jump to this thread to defend the gentle special bishops, priests and deacons of the lavender mafia. The objections will surely take the form of attacks on Rose himself.
Some things are just so obvious.
The sodomites who by blackmail, perversion and secrecy control too many seminaries and diocesan offices.
He got more than a few facts wrong, and he deliberately mischaracterized some of what even his interviewees said.
I read his book. It, like many "objective" books, comes to a conclusion, then goes out in search of something to back up that conclusion.
If Rose's new tome is HALF as informative as Fr. Rueda's was back in the late '70's (?), it will be extremely useful.
"He got more than a few facts wrong, and he deliberately mischaracterized some of what even his interviewees said."
Interesting, if true. I don't suppose your fear of litigation will stop you from actually DOCUMENTING the errors so that we can judge how material they are. Or can you?
"I read his book. It, like many "objective" books, comes to a conclusion, then goes out in search of something to back up that conclusion."
You're ordained, a former seminarian, is the CONCLUSION in error?
I can, but I won't.
If you're interested, just back and read some of the articles from the Register, Our Sunday Visitor, the comments of the rector from Louvain, and Fr. Rob Johanssen's website.
Or just type in "Goodbye Good Men" in the search feature of FR, and you'll find plenty to keep you busy.
Yes. But Rose's book is not a good place to get the facts to back that conclusion up.
All,
This is how I understand what happened with Rose's critics of his book. Disclaimer: I am not infallible, so cut me some slack.
First, Our Sunday Visitor apologized to Rose for "going after" him. This is a fact.
Second, the Register went after him not for "distorting facts" but for calling out the Vocations Recruiter for the Archdiocese of Providence because he was using diocesan funds to recruit men to the priesthood with spots on MTV. Mr. ROse did not attack the recruiter's orthodoxy. Even the editor of This Rock said recruiting men for the priesthood via MTV is like "fishing in a cesspool".
Third, Crisis went after him because Mr. Rose exposed the American College at Louvain as a problem place for homosexual behavior (even Dr. Alice von Hildebrand has done that recently-----do a search engine folks). Rose reported later that there is a benefactor (of what means we do not know) who not only gives $$$$s to ACL, but ALSO Crisis magazine. Hmmmm.
Crisis reported in its pages that Rose's publisher, Regnery (sp?) was going to delete the pages from GBGM which focused on a particular seminarian who was at the ACL who spoke with Mr. Rose about the goings on at ACL. According to Rose this did NOT happen.
As for Fr. Johansen's claims, I have not read any rebuttals by Mr. Rose to him. We can only come to our own conclusions there.
I have spoken with some priests about this book. Young and old alike told me that the "details are sketchy" but for the most part it is true. Good enough for me.
Also, if you want to read the reviews of Rose's book, here they are via Amazon. Many of these speak for themselves and lend credence to Rose's book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967637112/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/103-0257252-2091829?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER
And, FWIW, Abp. Dolan of Milwaukee has hired the priest from Louvain for a Seminary position here. One could conclude that Dolan does not believe the account given by Rose's interviewee.
I cannot agree that Rose '...had a conclusion and then went to find the facts...'
As you yourself have testified, (and as many others have, but not on FR), there was a BIG problem with queers in Sem--in administration, on the faculties, and as students.
Such is proven by the problems, later on, which surfaced with queer attacks on young boys.
One hardly needs to "draw a conclusion" faced with the overwhelming evidence. The conclusion was already written--filling in the cracks was what Rose did.
Rose: There is nothing in Goodbye, Good Men that accuses Fr. Taillon of offenses against orthodoxy. The section in the book mentioning Fr. Taillon deals exclusively with the vocations recruitment media campaign, including paid commercials on MTV. Nothing is ever said about the personal integrity of Fr. Taillon.
Register: "As a journalist, I’m irritated by how hastily the escalating bombardment was carried out, with so little regard for the facts."
Rose: It is Pearson’s article that is hastily carried out with so little regard for the truth, especially since Pearson admits to not having read Goodbye, Good Men. "Escalating bombardment" is quite the exaggeration.
I admit it has been awhile since I read the book Good bye, Good Men but my recollection is as Michael Rose states. There was no attack on Fr. Taillon's orthodoxy, more shock that he would be so foolish as to be invoved in recruiting priests on MTV, but I could be wrong so I guess I should re-read the book.
The last thing I will be able to say about Rose's book is that he describes what I have experienced and heard here in Detroit concerning St. John's Provincial Seminary which no longer exists. He also mention Sacred Heart in Detroit which has, fortunately, gotten much better since the mid-1990s. I do not necessarily fault the rector from the mid-90s, now Bishop Neinstedt. He was faced with a difficult task and did the best he could. His replacement, Bishop Vigneran, was much more successful partly because of the work of Neinstedt but also because Vigneran is just a real "tough cookie" and very good with the seminarians.
What Michael Rose writes about Notre Dame in New Orleans is actually mild in comparison to what I personally know went on there as far as the homosexual abuses is concerned. Many of the young men who wanted to be priests in the 1970s were recuited actively into the homosexual life-style because they were being taught that homosexuality was not against celebacy. I guess the jokers who were telling them this nonesense forgot about chastity.
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