Posted on 06/27/2004 9:27:55 PM PDT by MegaSilver
Rose understates the case for his thesis. There are far more scandalous stories out there, some known personally by credible witnesses, which would mortify readers if they knew. If the best critics can come up with is, well, he's a sloppy journalist and didn't interview anyobody that hardly proves the opposite of the main point. Liberalism, theological dissent, homosexual counter-culture, and anti-Catholic secret societies weakened and damaged the church by infiltrating key institutions and positions of authority. This applies to universities, colleges, and some high schools as well as the seminaries, chanceries, and bishops' conferences.
The other position is "Well, the situation isn't quite as bad now and the seminaries have been cleaned up a lot since the 1970s." That hardly is reassuring as the Hubbard case continues to demonstrate.
And there is one glaring example which I'm not sure makes it into GB,GM but is definately in his book about good priests. The story of how St. John Provencial Seminary was shut down and moved to Sacred Heart is a corker! Its the story of a faithful young priest, a young seminarian who was currently at that seminary, and another priest who was Polish and translated the compiled information for the Vatican representative into his native Polish!!! Why did these men have to go to such lengths? Because of lies. They are very good these progressives at covering their tracks and making themselves look Catholic when it suits their agenda.
I just don't follow your post.
You're right I need to tell the story but its late and I need sleep. Will try to in the next few days.
MegaSilver,Read the Saints,they had worst.If you have a vocation you will go forward.
Bump.
narses,Trying to follow along,Which other side did the the Vatican accept?
You "know"?
Okay, I'll buy it. Can you cite your source and the text? Please be more specific.
I recommend the book.
Several evenings ago I promised an explanation of the story about the priest in Detroit getting St. John's Provincial Seminary closed. For those who might not know St. John's was notorious as a hothouse of homosexual activity and the theology taught was not only non Catholic, (more Protestant in nature), but very detrimental to Catholic spirituality and toxic to the soul. Rudolf Bultmann and Albert Schweitzer were considered more important than Aquinas.
Well, in 1981 because of the on-going complaints about many seminaries throughout the U.S., (not just St. John's in Michigan), Pope John Paul II ordered an investigation of U.S. seminaries and appointed Bishop John Marshall of Burlington, Vermont to coordinated the project. As you can imagine there were many rectors and seminary faculty who were upset by this turn of events. The team that investigated St. John's in Michigan was headed by Bishop Strecker of Kansas City. A young priest only several years ordained convinced some of his friends who were still at the seminary to dictate to him what they experienced at the seminary and then the priest wrote an expose based on their story. One of the members of the investigating team was Polish and the young priest had the document translated into Polish, a language the current Cardinal Szoka of Detroit also spoke fluently. He signed his name to the document and entered the seminary very early one morning at about 3 A.M. to push the document under Bishop Strecker's door. The next morning Bishop Strecker was in the Cardinal's office. You might think Szoka would be relieved that the truth was discovered but instead he was very upset that the priest had made this intervention.
Why you might wonder would a priest feel the need to go to all of this trouble to get a report to an investigating team that was, after all, on the premises and could easily see and ask questions? Well, the staff of St. John's knew when the investigators were coming and they were prepared, priest professors who hadn't worn their Roman collars in years put them back on. I have been told that the offensive text books were removed and in general a Catholic veneer was put on for he benefit of the investigators. Needless to say homosexual activity came to a halt while the visitors were there. But, even more importantly, those in charge of St. John's made it difficult for the seminarians to talk to the investigators privately and if it hadn't been for this priest's intervention the reality of what went on at this seminary might never have been known by the investigators.
In 1986 St. John's was closed and moved to Sacred Heart Seminary within the city limits of Detroit. The official reason given was economic, but many figured that Sacred Heart was just easier for the Cardinal to control. And, even though the professors that taught at St. John's were moved to Sacred Heart, as these same professors have taken other positions, retired or died their replacements are much more orthodox Catholics. I know that St. Thomas Aquinas has replaced the Protestants and that the student body is much more conservative.
My point in telling this story is to give an example of the subterfuge and mis-leading actions of rectors and seminary professors than can suffocate the truth. Also, I am not so sure that Michael Rose did not interview rectors of seminaries. And, if he didn't perhaps it is because he was refused and not because he was trying to present only one side of the story.
That kind of Gestapo-like tactic makes me wonder what kind of person Rose is.
What is "Gestapo-like " about filing a civil suit Deacon?
Thank you.
He was not refused. The rector of Louvain took him to task over some of the statements made by the lone seminarian he interviewed. No less than the National Catholic Register sided with the rector of Louvain against Rose.
Rose was intimidating Johanssen into silence by threatening a lawsuit, instead of answering his objections.
How is that a "Gestapo-like" tactic? Your biased connotation aside, Mr. Rose threatened to use the law to settle a dispute. How is that a "Gestapo-like" tactic?
That is Gestapo-like.
Wow, you KNOW he couldn't answer the charges, right? And the Priest, with God and Truth on his side shut up rather than go into court? Perhaps the facts are far less clear than your slanders Deacon. Do tell, how is a civil suit "gestapo-like"? Is every lawyer therefore a Nazi? Are all litigants Nazis? Or just those who EXPOSE the corrupt sodomites who run the Seminaries?
Rose never answered them. If he could have, he would have.
And the Priest, with God and Truth on his side shut up rather than go into court?
His bishop told him to be quiet. The bishop was threatened with a lawsuit if the priest continued to challenge Rose.
The Vatican listened to "the other side of the story" deacon, they heard the lies and accepted them. What "other side" did Michael Rose miss?
narses,Are you saaying the Pope did not n read this book?
No, rather the "investigation" by the Vatican prior to the book that whitewashed the lavender mafia.
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