Posted on 06/04/2004 12:00:16 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
It is the Normative Mass of the Latin Rite, the Memorial of the Last Supper of Jesus Christ.
It is of infinite value, just like the Tridentine Mass.
That is not the fault of the Novus Ordo.
People. Fallible, sinful people.
Oh, and George W. Bush.
The bishops of the world do not want a universal indult.
Thus, there will not be one.
It's a two way street, pal.
"Surely it's not as bad as all that!"
"destroyed" is probably too strong a word, but I do firmly believe that the change in orientation of the celebration of Mass has had as much influence in changing the character of the Mass as all the changes in the prayers put together.
I know most trads would probably disagree with me on this, but the N.O., when celebrated ad orientum, "feels spiritually" much more in continuity with the perennial Tradition than does the average parish Mass.
To use some of JPII's lingo - a correct theology of worship demands a correct anthropology of worship.
I agree with your analysis. I feel connected to the sacred with either the tridentine mass or the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern rites. I miss that with the Novus Ordo (plus, it has really bad music.) I very glad that our bishop allows the tridentine mass. I would be just as happy if the TM was translated into English. In fact, I thought that that was what was going to be done by Vatican II, Novus Ordo was quite a shock.
BTW - I'm happy for anyone who feels connected to God by NO, and I certainly wouldn't want to take that away from them.
The Liturgy of St. James, generally prayed only once a year and then at Jerusalem, is, I believe, the oldest Chalcedonian liturgy still in use. It looks a lot like a regular Orthodox Liturgy. As for the NO, the procession with the unconsecrated bread and wine and, to an extent, the petitions of the people are the only "ancient" usages I can see in it...but then again our usual Sunday Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is only about 1500 years old so what would I know?
Just as Maida was finally nipple-twisted into allowing an indult by the courageous faith of the "independent" Catholics in his area, so the rest of the pickle-smoocher mafia will gradually be brought to heel.
So far, only the butt cowboys have shed blood and taken life. That may change, I don't know. But in the end, the Tridentine will once again be available to all.
I have yet to go to a Maronite Rite Liturgy, but I read, and NYer knows far more about it that I do is that it is the oldest liturgy that has been in continued use. I will admit I do not know anything about the Liturgy of St. James.
As Tantumergo said so well, the orientation makes a big difference. At the parish I usually attend, it is a Novus Ordo, and the priests face the people, but it has retained most of the traditions such as incenseing the altar, use of the rail, plus none of the other more recent "innovations". The retention of the traditional rubrics and the reverence make it clearly identifiable as Catholic. Now if they would only get rid of the table and face the old altar.
It should be available, via indult, but many bishops will simply not allow it, even those who are most orthodox (like Bruskewitz, who allows FSSP parishes, but will not allow indult Masses).
That is a local indult.
Logistically, Tridentine Masses cannot replace regularly scheduled Novus Ordo Masses.
Any parish that can support a Tridentine Mass should have one, just as they have Spanish Masses, or Vietnamese Masses, or, in our parish, Tongan Masses.
You might find this link interesting. It is a brief write up on the Liturgy of St. James and then a text of the Liturgy as recntly translated. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ephrem/lit-james.htm
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