An unscientific poll RE; Credence of Creeds(AKA a vanity)

self | 3/31/2004 | conservonator

[Quester]

Is it OK to say that we agree on the creeds if we don't agree what they mean?

I didn't say that I agreed with you. ;^)

[Titanites]

See post #59.

OK, thanks. Do all Protestant denominations believe in regenerative water baptism?

[SoothingDave]

One might say that we are baptized with water externally, ... while we are baptized with the Holy Spirit internally.

Well, yes. But this isn't a "Baptist" expression, that I am aware of.

SD

[Quester]

OK, thanks. Do all Protestant denominations believe in regenerative water baptism?

All Protestants baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit.

That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this.

And I believe that it is covered by the credal statement ...

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

[SoothingDave]

"All Protestants baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit."

That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this.

But they don't all believe that the water baptism takes place at the same time as the internal baptism.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

That's two baptisms by my count. One in water, one in the HS.

SD

[Quester]

One might say that we are baptized with water externally, ... while we are baptized with the Holy Spirit internally.

Well, yes. But this isn't a "Baptist" expression, that I am aware of.

Baptists baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit.

[Titanites]

That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this.

I know you are struggling to come up with a palatable answer and that this will probably have to suffice. You have said there are no core differences in belief between Protestants. So from your statments on baptism, I take it that you, as a Baptist, agree with the Anglicans that a single baptism, with water, regenerates (is done for the forgiveness of sin). Right?

[HarleyD]

Please search on Fatima.

[Quester]

I know you are struggling to come up with a palatable answer and that this will probably have to suffice. You have said there are no core differences in belief between Protestants. So from your statments on baptism, I take it that you, as a Baptist, agree with the Anglicans that a single baptism, with water, regenerates (is done for the forgiveness of sin). Right?

Protestants do not regard any differences in our beliefs regarding baptism to be a violation of our ultimate unity.

We know that Catholics are more rigid in their beliefs on such things ... but we do not follow the Catholic model ... we base our belief on the Word of God, as presented in the scriptures.

[Sloth]

Aside from uncertainty over whether we'd agree on the definition of a couple of terms, I'd say I generally agree with the doctrinal content of what you posted. However, I absolutely reject any such man-made creeds. My sole creed is the Bible. If man-made creeds are different from what the Bible teaches, then they are in error. If they are the same, then what is the point of having them?

[SoothingDave]

If they are the same, then what is the point of having them?

They are remarkably more succinct.

However, I absolutely reject any such man-made creeds. My sole creed is the Bible.

You ever quote just part of the Bible, or explain something in your own words? Do you believe in the Trinity?

SD

[GirlShortstop]

And don't you find it curious that nearly everyone has found it either difficult or of no interest to give a simple yes or no answer?

ALL of BOTH

Conservonator, if you'd double check the question... I don't think that simply saying YES or NO would work, would it?  :-)
FReegards.

[conservonator]

Conservonator, if you'd double check the question... I don't think that simply saying YES or NO would work, would it? :-) FReegards.

Gasp!! you're right! ...damn...looks like the short answers would be "all", "none" or "some" and the "some" answer begs further explanation.

Good catch, mea culpa (that's two in two days!)

[GirlShortstop]

Good catch, mea culpa (that's two in two days!)

I dig Latin.  No blame.  I just wanted to be sure you'd see the responses as I and possibly others thought the best way to answer your question.  I also selfishly didn't want to you to consider too many words as "curious".   :-)   FReegards!  

[Titanites]

Protestants do not regard any differences in our beliefs regarding baptism to be a violation of our ultimate unity.

No worries. I figured you weren't going to answer.

[White Mountain]

Your #29: (LDS ... are not to my knowledge, Christians )

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) are Christians.

[D-fendr]

I think one area of difference between Catholic and Protestant would be in this part of the Apostles Creed:

I believe in… the communion of saints…

[D-fendr]

Oh, and put me down for "All."

[The_Reader_David]

We Orthodox do not 'opt out on the Nicean Creed', but preserve it in its original form without the erroneous addition of the filioque.

[The_Reader_David]

Your telling of the failure of the False Union of Florence/Ferrar is obviously false. The Muslims had no influence on the Russian Church, and Isidore, the Russian delegate to Florence who had accepted the False Union was exiled as a heretic immediately upon his return (he died a Roman Catholic cardinal).

Anti-unionist sentiment was strong enough before the Fall of Constantinople that it was expressed by one of the Emperesses "Better the turban than the Latin mitre".

Perhaps after Pascha I'll have time to examine the full post for other errors.