The Bible indicates Gibson actually went easy on the injuries to Jesus' face!

Monday, March 1, 2004 | tame

[theFIRMbss]

>This may account for the fact that, after Jesus resurrection, the disciples on the road to Emmaus did not recognize him ...

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John 20:25-27

The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord."

So he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."

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A flayed, walking corpse
would be plain to recognize.
The Gospel is clear

that Thomas looks to
two specific wounds. Nothing
grotesque is described...

[scripter]

Thanks for the ping.

[Cold Heat]

yes, just some have more or less detail.

Being critical of this is just simple nit-picking.

As long as the scriptural portions of the film was portrayed accurately, it seems so---- very------prickish to say what these folks are saying.

They have another agenda for sure.

[tame]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't they also rip (pluck) the beard from his face?

YES! Thank you for reminding me. I forgot to include that passage: Isaiah 50:6-

"I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting."

[demnomo]

Thank you so very much. I guess Jamie Bernard, William Sapphire, and other critics who fiercely bashed and castigated The Passion's "violence" obviously hadn't done their homework. :)

[tame]

that Thomas looks to two specific wounds. Nothing grotesque is described...

Thomas specified that he wanted to put his "finger where the nails were" and "put my hand into his side" (John 20:25) as empirical proof that Jesus was resurrected. This does not AT ALL detract from the grotesque nature of ALL the wounds (which Isaiah 50, 52, 52 and the gospels make clear WAS grotesque).

[tame]

I guess Jamie Bernard, William Sapphire, and other critics who fiercely bashed and castigated The Passion's "violence" obviously hadn't done their homework. :)

I had not read a review by saffire. I try not to read much of anything that minimizes the severity of Jesus' punishment because such minimizing is either pure ignorance, or a deceptive lie.

It also may be wishful thinking by those who just can't stand Jesus or Christianity. You're right, they don't usually do their homework, and if they do it's not with a heart seeking the truth.

[netmilsmom]

>>They have another agenda for sure.<<

Got that right!!!!!!!

[thackney]

"biblical bases for physical abuse in The Passion" ping

[tame]

For interpretation I feel that marring Cavizel's face any further would have distracted the dramatic impact and the actor's phenomenal emotional and spiritual treatment of Jesus' suffering.

Outraged: Hey, long time no see, buddy! I agree that Cavizel's treatment was phenomenal!

Annaz; Outraged: I'd like your opinion. Am I overrating the Oscar potential for The Passion? I think Jim C should be nominated for an academy award for best actor, Gibson should be nominated for best director; the Passion should be nominated for best cimematography and best picture. Well, Annaz, you've worked on film projects. What's your opinion?

[tame]

I suspect he went easy on a lot more than that.

A relative told me she did not think Jesus would have made it to the cross alive if the scourging portrayed in the Passion was accurate. If it were any other man, he may not have made it. But because it was Jesus, and because he was taking on the sins of the whole world ("He bore our sins on the tree"), I think it could have been even worse.

[xp38]

Malcolm Muggeridge once wrote that the mockery of Jesus as the King of the Jews with his crown of thorns is reversed and turned upside down as a mockery of earthly kings from his Christian perpective. That crown of thorns and the sacrifice involved has more value to Christians than all the bejeweled head gear of all the nations throughout history. A world turned upside down indeed.

[tame]

One of the Bishops here in MI said that he did not like "The Passion" because it made all four Gospels into one story.

It seems that the Bishop is not aware that there is one true story told from 4 different viewpoints, all in harmony with each other.

[tame]

Have you ever heard that beautiful song, "The Day He Wore My Crown" by Dallas Holmes?

[nightdriver]

Thank you, Tame, for posting this. I have been saying this for some time in response to the prissy preachers who whine that the movie depicted too much gore and violence.

They have been deluded by a "gospel" that has been sanitized and stripped of the reality of the cross.

Even worse than the physical aspect of the cross was the private transaction between the Christ and the Father as the spiritual judgement that is rightfully ours was poured out on Jesus instead. We dodn't get to see that one.

[tame]

They have been deluded by a "gospel" that has been sanitized and stripped of the reality of the cross.

Amen!

[MD_Willington_1976]

undue violence...huh...we as a species are the most violent there is on the planet...

I agree with you, it is alame argument..

[tame]

I love those quotes on your profile page!

[The Mayor]

Thanks, I really need to update it, I have a bunch more to add..

[tame]

My priviledge :o)