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On the Freedom of the Will: Part II: Section I (Refuting Arminian Free-Willism)
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| 1754
| Jonathan Edwards
Posted on 02/10/2004 10:46:05 AM PST by ksen
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For your consideration....
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posted on
02/10/2004 10:46:06 AM PST
by
ksen
To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; ...
GRPL Ping!
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posted on
02/10/2004 10:48:34 AM PST
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: ksen
A great lesson from one of our great preachers.
Thank you for the post.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:24:00 AM PST
by
Gamecock
To: ksen; xzins; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; connectthedots
I honestly don't think Edwards knows what he is talking about. I know I have no idea what he is talking about. You posted it. It must have meant something to you. Perhaps you can explain what he is saying and why you felt the irresistible urge to post it.
Thanks
Marlowe
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:27:06 AM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; Vernon
GAPL Ping! ;^)
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:29:59 AM PST
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: ksen; P-Marlowe
You got a version of this in English?
How many wills will a willchuck will...
To: Corin Stormhands
You got a version of this in English? Have you ever used that translation thing on Yahoo or google? I can't decide if its already been used, or if it needs to be used.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:49:02 AM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
To: P-Marlowe
Edwards wrote all that to say that the Will is not a free moral agent. It does not act on its own. It is bound by the person, who is the moral agent.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:54:55 AM PST
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: Revelation 911; ksen
do you guys have to demean and denigrate everyone to raise your self esteem ? Not this one Rev. ksen is not flame baiting. We are friends in RL.
I think he would enjoy a serious discussion.
But this article, this afternoon, makes my brain hurt.
To: P-Marlowe
That's why Christendom is messed up- Theologians. They think they know best for everyone else.
To: ksen; xzins; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; connectthedots
Edwards wrote all that to say that the Will is not a free moral agent. It does not act on its own. It is bound by the person, who is the moral agent.
So he took that many words to create a straw man. Nobody has ever said that the will alone is a free moral agent or that the will acts wholly independent of extant circumstances and events and persuasions or that it is not bound in some way or the other by the creator.
That being said, why the rant against Arminians. Arminians don't even believe what Edwards is claiming they do.
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:05:09 PM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
To: Corin Stormhands; ksen
with that - I will ask for my post to be pulled - apologies to ksen
To: P-Marlowe
Okay, so if the Will itself is not free, by your own admission, what is the "free" agent that makes Will make its decision for Christ?
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:08:36 PM PST
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: Corin Stormhands
Yeah, my brain hurt a little too. Maybe when it fades we can discuss just what exactly is "Free" in Free-Will.
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:10:15 PM PST
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: ksen
I'll read it again tonite.
To: ksen
I have to admit with our Arminian friends, unless you're into diagraming sentences this is a difficult read. I'm going to have to break it down.
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:24:06 PM PST
by
HarleyD
(READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
To: ksen; xzins; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; connectthedots
Okay, so if the Will itself is not free, by your own admission, what is the "free" agent that makes Will make its decision for Christ? I did not say that the will is not free. But as with all freedoms, it has its limitations. Being able to accept or reject the Gospel of Christ is not one of those limitations. God grants sufficient grace to men to make a knowing decision and allows them the free will to do it. It does not diminish God's sovereignty if he sovereignly grants to men that ability. He gives men the ability to do lots of things. How does that subtract from his sovereignty?
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:24:15 PM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
To: HarleyD; ksen
...unless you're into diagraming sentences this is a difficult read... You know, I was never taught to diagram sentences.
To: P-Marlowe; ksen
Sorry, guys.
I read Vernon's Wesley sermon earlier today.
I have a vow not to read old english more than once on any given day! Ouch...it makes my head hurt....not the words but the patterns of speech and thought.
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:35:22 PM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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