Extent of abuse cases staggering, official says [Pilla to release "shocking" numbers]

Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 01/20/04 | Joel Rutchick and James F. McCarty

[heyheyhey]

If this isn't a wakeup call to the Cleveland diocese, nothing is.

If this isn't a wakeup call to the NCCB, nothing is.

[Maximilian]

Pilla needs to go for the reasons cited by AkronAl here: But these numbers are grossly inflated.

Agreed. Pilla needs to go because he's not a Catholic. And I personally know of several horrible abuse situations in Cleveland. However, the numbers are definitely inflated for reasons that combine politics and greed by the trial lawyers.

[Diago]

If you could find a way to get the meltdown in Cleveland some national press, we would be eternally grateful.

[johnb2004]

"That's the forbidden question."

Right you are.When I ask that I am usually told that the Catholic Church is so big one can't expect Rome to know what is happening in every diocese. It does strike one as peculiar that 40 years of dissent can't be dealt with. Then again, I am often told Rome wants to avoid schism.

Well,to me, an average Catholic who believes in obedience and redemptive suffering I find it strange that Rome allows so much error to be spread.

If anyone in any of these dioceses tried to say a Latin mass without permission the swiss guard would be sent in...

[cpforlife.org]

BTTT

For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion, have Mercy on us and on the whole world.

[Diago]

Then Burkhart stammered as he asked McBride a personal question: "So, whenever you had sex . . . were you bound to go to confession and confess it before you said Mass, or . . .?"

"Well, you were supposed to, yes," McBride said.

"Do you think all these priests do?"

"No," McBride said. "I think they changed their minds and decided it's not a sin."

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The sad pathetic case of Father McBride says it all. Cleveland is the home of Futurechurch which resides on Church property at St. Mark's Parish.

This entire problem was caused by the fact that the Diocese of Cleveland is in open dissent and no longer believes in Sin. And yet, the groups that caused this situation are seeking to destroy the Church with the Scandal they helped to create.

Thus, you find the vicious anti-Catholics at the Plain Dealer going to the scalndal-causers at Futurechurch and quoting them as experts on how to solve all the Church's problems.

[heyheyhey]

The groups that caused this situation are seeking to destroy the Church with the Scandal they helped to create.

Thus, you find the vicious anti-Catholics at the Plain Dealer going to the scalndal-causers at Futurechurch and quoting them as experts on how to solve all the Church's problems.

This is where the scandal persists.

[Coleus]

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[Desdemona]

I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

Giving the bishops enough rope to hang themselves?

That's an awful thing to say, I know, but as all of this has come out since Bernardin died, and considering how he was adored by so many, the uncovering of the scandal is exposing the errors of the Amchurch types.

It's a painful purge, but better it happen than not.

[pax_et_bonum]

"I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

I know where you're coming from.

I love the Church and have always treasured my Catholic faith.

However, there is no excusing the way these scandal cases have been mishandled.

I hope that this scandal situation will be for the Church like hitting bottom can be for an alcoholic: that's when they bounce back because there's no way to go but up.

[Jaded]

Our priest discussed the results from our Diocese yesterday. From the period beginning 1950 through last year there were 46 credible reports. The majority of them happened BEFORE 1980. 3.2 M paid out.

The priest was disgusted that this ever happened. He put it in terms of that the payout could have built and outfitted a new parish. The payout was covered at 50% by insurance and 50% the general fund (read tithes).

[brazucausa]

Thank you for ping.

"You reap what you sow"

If this isn't a wakeup call to the Cleveland diocese, nothing is.


Agree on that.

[AAABEST]

I would like to take the time to thank our protestant brothers and sisters for not using this thread the bash us, although I would almost understand it if they did. This is disgusting.

We'll have to return the favor somehow.

[Diago]

Another Reason why Bishop Pilla Needs to Resign:

But when the media began reporting that worshippers were required to embrace their fellow pew sitters before Communion, uniformity was the last thing on many Catholics' minds. Order me to hug a stranger? More like grounds for GIRM warfare.

As it turned out, the hugging instructions came not from Rome but from the Diocese of Cleveland, Ohio. The Rev. J-Glenn Murray, S.J., director of the diocese's liturgy office, apparently decided to use the new GIRM rules as a springboard for an overhaul of Mass gestures in Cleveland-area churches.

Murray decided, for example, that worshippers should pray the Our Father before Communion with their hands raised upward and apart--a posture known as the Orans that some Catholics already use, but which is far from universal. Then there were the infamous hugs, couched as an instruction that people "embrace" those near them instead of shaking hands, the usual gesture in a pre-Communion ritual popularly known as the Kiss of Peace. The most controversial of all of Murray's directives was an instruction that those receiving Communion not kneel down in prayer right afterwards, as most do now, but instead remain standing and singing in their pews.

See the article Mass Confusion at http://www.beliefnet.com/story/135/story_13535_1.html

[johnb2004]

beautiful. now this guys owns the mass.

[NeoCaveman]

Of course none of those things materialized. They did push the orans but very few takers. Standing after communion? Not where I go in Cleveland.

P.S. This is not a defense of Pilla or his GIRM tampering.

[Polycarp IV]

I fear Rome has given up on the U.S. as our bishops have been so disobedient.

If you were the boss, would you help your lower management if they thwarted your every order? Or would you let them crash and burn and then pick up the pieces.

I agree with this assessment completely, as it has been my own for several years. Furthermore, its myopic to judge the entire Church based on the abberrations of the West, which represents only a fraction of Catholics worldwide.

despite a few upsetting details like the collapse of the institutional church and unthinkable corruption of the clergy that occurred on his watch.

They occurred long before his watch. The beginning of the turning of the tide against this is occurring as a capstone at the ending of his pontificate.

No matter how much it pains traditionalists, history will see JPII as the Pope that began the turnaround from the destruction that started in the mid 20th century. They will see his approach as the only one available at his time in history.

Doesn't mean I like living through it, or that I don't question it at times as I did above.

[Polycarp IV]

The US bishops have been much more compliant than the bishops in nearly every other country. Look at the German bishops ... The Dutch bishops ... the new Cardinal from Scotland ...

Fortunately, the North American and European churches are NOT "The Church," but only a part of a much larger whole. Do not judge the universal Church on the abberrations here and in Europe.

[johnb2004]

They will see his approach as the only one available at his time in history. Why is that?

[saradippity]

I don't know about the recent publicity about the lone remaining good priest. Can you fill me in?