More Evidence "Catholics for a Free Choice" is An Unholy, Insidious, and Vulgar Organization

myself | 1/17/2004 | Pyro7480

[pegleg]

What neither cite is individual freedom, individual responsibility, and cognizance that all moral thinking is fundamentally existential in nature.

Well you take more of an Augustinian view and I’m more Thomistic. I think freedom depends on Truth, and the Truth has been transmitted to us by Holy Mother Church. So our individual freedom needs to always be within the boundaries of moral or natural law as interpreted by the church.

For example, if you’re driving down the highway and the speed limit is 70 MPH, it is an established truth that the speed limit is 70 . Therefore you’re free to drive any speed you want up to 70 MPH. If you want to drive 80 you’re certainly free to do that, however, there are consequences for operating outside this established truth.

So the short version of my story is the more I fought against the Church, the more crappola I stepped in. It’s only when I made a conscious effort to live my life in accordance with her teachings that I was able to start stepping over it. I still step in it from time to time but that’s my fault and I know what to do to correct it.

In the end a Catholic must lead himself. Failure to do that is a moral and ethical blind alley.

Agreed with the caveat there needs to be a moral standard by which to measure ourselves. The problem with the Church isn’t her doctrines, it’s the behavior. The doctrines are true, it’s when the doctrines aren’t obeyed that problems arise.

Man...I'm gonna get a total ration of hooyah over this post from the tub-thumpers.

Nah. I think you’ll get more grief over your rejection of Scotch. I will admit Scotch used to be my drink of choice but I’m partial to Bacardi Gold these days.

[Campion]

Me and my family will still be Catholics

You aren't a Catholic now, at least not a real one.

Here's hoping you repent and return to the faith soon. You can start by going to confession and confessing your participation on this thread.

[Campion]

In the end a Catholic must lead himself.

So Christ and His Church fit into this process ... where?

"In the end, an atheist must lead himself." How does this statement differ from yours? How is the result different? Is it?

[tcuoohjohn]

Ya Know...I was tempted to respond to your silly post at length but I have thought better of it.

In short the difference is the difference between a Catholic and an Athiest.

As my home boy, pegleg, has pointed out freedom within moral limits. The limits are those imposed by God and his son Jesus Christ.

[tcuoohjohn]

Ah...The " real" Catholic. That is the argument of a weasel. I have heard it in a political context " Real Americans" ( code used by political thugs) and now " real Catholics" ( code for religious thugs)

It is the code of a weasel to automatically question the bonafides of someone who disagrees with them. Argue the point rather than the alledged inauthenticity of the opinion or person.

[tcuoohjohn]

Ah...The " real" Catholic. That is the argument of a weasel. I have heard it in a political context " Real Americans" ( code used by political thugs) and now " real Catholics" ( code for religious thugs)

It is the code of a weasel to automatically question the bonafides of someone who disagrees with them. Argue the point rather than the alledged inauthenticity of the opinion or person.