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Reminding The West That Confronting Tyranny Is A Tradition
The Age ^ | October 11, 2003 | Tony Parkinson

Posted on 10/12/2003 4:34:39 PM PDT by Ex-Dem

Bronislaw Geremek was a major intellectual force in the events that brought an end to the Cold War. Today, less than 15 years on, the former Polish foreign minister is anxious to prevent the dispute between leading European powers and the United States over the war in Iraq becoming another dangerous and destabilising fault line in the history of Europe.

On a visit to Melbourne this week, one of the giants of eastern Europe's liberation from communist rule spoke frankly of the dangers for the European project if feuding persists between France and Germany, on the one hand, and the US on the other. At stake was not just unity within an enlarged European Union, but the future of the Western alliance.

For his part, Geremek believes there were incontestable grounds for removing Saddam Hussein's regime. "I can understand that some leaders in Europe were not convinced by America's justification for war in Iraq," he says. "But we will never understand that part of European public opinion that said it would be better for Saddam to have won the war than the Americans. Our experiences in Poland have given rise to a strong anti-totalitarian culture. For us, these are not theoretical questions. Even those Poles who were critical of the war were in no doubt that it was a good thing that one of the bloodiest dictators of the past century is no longer in power."

Like his close friend and courageous French intellectual Jean-Francois Revel, Geremek is not about to let the current fashion for anti-Americanism in Europe obscure the fundamental human rights imperative at the heart of the Iraq debate. He sees parallels with the failings of the European Left in the 1960s and 1970s to acknowledge and accept the evidence of the brutality of the Soviet system.

In the 1980s Geremek spent a year in a Polish prison as the panicked communist regime of General Wojciech Jaruzelski sought to stop him from mobilising workers at the Gdansk shipyards. This time, the price of reminding European opinion about the importance of the Western tradition of confronting tyranny has been the tarnishing of his lifelong love affair with France.

As a young man, Geremek studied at the Sorbonne. He has written extensively on French history. In recognition of his role in the formation of Lech Walesa's Solidarity movement, an event that arguably marked the beginning of the end of communist rule in Europe, the French Government awarded him one of the nation's highest honours.

"I am a Francophile," he says. "I feel very close to France in a cultural sense, and it's been very important to my intellectual life. But sometimes I am critical of France because I expect more of it. I had been very popular there until this last year, when they asked me what I thought about Iraq. When I told them I could not accept the indifference to this dictator, I was finished."

Poland, as a nation, is also feeling the heat. The "them or us" antagonism towards US power began to percolate noticeably at the time that Geremek was negotiating Poland's accession to the European Union. When Poland decided to buy 48 American F-16 fighter jets to modernise its air force, rather than Eurofighters, the government of Jacques Chirac did not disguise its displeasure.

There was talk of a French-German veto of Poland's admission to the EU. "I believe Chirac was astonished these newcomers should be so disobedient," Geremek recalls. The French media vilified Poland as the "51st state", a "Trojan horse for US interests".

By supporting US policy on Iraq, Poland has teased those same raw nerves. It not only joined the military action, but has deployed 2200 troops, and assumed command of one of the four stabilisation zones. In parts of Europe, this is seen as close to betrayal.

But, deeply scarred by the history of Munich and Yalta, many Poles, according to Geremek, see the American superpower as every bit as crucial to Europe's security today as it was during the Cold War years. "We cannot accept, we cannot understand, how France can speak of a troika with Germany and Russia. We still need America, and America needs Europe."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; iraq; neweurope; oldeurope; poland; us

1 posted on 10/12/2003 4:34:40 PM PDT by Ex-Dem
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To: Ex-Dem
I had been very popular there until this last year, when they asked me what I thought about Iraq. When I told them I could not accept the indifference to this dictator, I was finished.

Welcome to the EU under French rule, Mr. Geremek.

2 posted on 10/12/2003 4:41:41 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians blow up over the least little thing...)
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To: All

"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our
wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions,
they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
- John Adams -


Make your statement.




3 posted on 10/12/2003 4:42:42 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Ex-Dem; Shermy
Opponents to the war get redfaced whenever you talk about the mass graves, and they say again and again, we didn't go to war out of any concern for the Iraq people.

They say it with the finality of an established fact. If we cared about mass murder, where would we stop? There are hundreds of other countries we could invade, if that were our motivation.

Of course, the conversation usually ends after that, but the assertion that we don't care and never cared is simple claptrap.

Real politik reasons to oppose mass murderers always exist, but it is the mass murder that is the characteristic of the regime we oppose. And other countries look at the same facts on the ground and see it in their real-politik interest to support the mass murderer, as France did in Iraq.

We feared Iraqi expansionism, not because we care if one arab conquers another, but because even in arab terms Saddam was shockingly evil. The Kuwaiti emir is not a Kansas democrat, and I don't want to spend the night in a Kuwaiti police station, but between the emir and the Baath there was never any comparison. As brutal as the Egyption police are known to be, there has never been any comparison with Saddam's depradations. Never.

So when we say that there are many other countries guilty of mass murder, which countries are we talking about?

Only a couple. Germany. The old Soviet Union, and Red China. Rwanda. Present day Congo. Algeria. North Korea. Cambodia.

We fought the Germans. We spent more than half a century bringing the Soviet Union down, and we still have nuclear subs targeting Chinese military targets. 37000 US Marines watch events in North Korea. Rwanda and Congo were, and are, UN projects. In Algeria the slaughter was committed by Islamofascists. In Cambodia the killings occurred by communist killers after our demoralized retreat from the region.

Genocide is, then, typical of the great collectivist heresies of our time, the Fascists, the Communists, and the Islamic variety of marxist fascism currently on the rampage. To say that we have not "cared" about genocide is only possibly justifiable in the case of Cambodia.

So essentially the argument is an evasion, and a dishonest one. The key to our opposition to Saddam is genocide, not WMD. India has nuclear weapons, and we essentially don't care, State Department mumblings to the contrary, because India is not presently a genocidal nation.

We support and happily do business with almost every other Arab country in the region, regimes that are merely brutal do not invite a visit by the US 3rd Army. But Genocide is of a class of its own, and no foreign policy with any claim to a moral center could ignore it.

To say that the US doesn't "care" about Saddam's genocide is juvenile.
4 posted on 10/12/2003 5:03:51 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Excellent post.
5 posted on 10/12/2003 5:10:43 PM PDT by Ex-Dem ("All your water are belong to us!" - MD to VA)
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