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Republicans Ponder the Center (Or "Who Arnold Schwarzeneger Really Is")
The New York Times | October 11, 2003 | ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 10/11/2003 9:00:22 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Republicans Ponder the Center By ADAM NAGOURNEY

AN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 10 — In Arnold Schwarzenegger, the national Republican Party now has a magnetic movie star in charge of the most populous state in the union, a governor-elect who has already emerged as an articulate, media-savvy and earnest figure who does not play by the conventional rules of politics.

But far from simply rejoicing over his election, the party finds itself entangled in a debate over whether it should follow Mr. Schwarzenegger's path by moving to the center on social issues in order to become even more competitive in state and national races.

Mr. Schwarzenegger's sweeping victory stirred anxiety among some conservatives, as much as it has cheered moderate Republicans, who have seized on it as evidence of how the party should position itself to fortify its standing, even at a time when it has proved increasingly dominant in American politics.

Several moderate Republicans said Mr. Schwarzenegger was now in a position to be a hugely influential and moderating force on his party, should he choose to be.

"How he won tells me that his message — he's both fiscally conservative and socially inclusive and moderate — was one that appeals to the middle," said Christie Whitman, a moderate Republican and former New Jersey governor who recently stepped down as head of the Environmental Protection Agency.

"To me, it's a very strong signal to win statewide in a state like California," Mrs. Whitman said on Friday. "It's a socially inclusive message, but not hard-edged and leaving-people-out. And I think that's a national thing."

William F. Weld, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts, said: "There's a lesson here for the national party. This absolutely takes the curse of the stereotype off of Republicans that the opposition seeks to hang around their necks."

That argument has run up against stiff opposition from other prominent Republicans. Some suggested that moderates were seizing on an anomalous election — a movie star defeating a highly unpopular incumbent in a largely Democratic state — to try to relight the coals of an old fire.

"I don't think that's a fair lesson, because I think this election was more about Gray Davis and less about the particular ideological stands of the candidates," said Matt Dowd, a senior adviser to President Bush's re-election campaign. "If Arnold Schwarzenegger had been a celebrity politician that was pro-life, I don't think he would have gotten any less votes."

Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, a conservative group, said Mr. Schwarzenegger's victory was more of a lesson about how to win a state like California than about what the party should do nationally. "I don't think this means that the party nationally should move to the center in any way," he said. "The party that has to do some soul-searching right now is the Democratic Party."

To a large extent, what is taking place now is a replay of an old fight that President Bush adroitly managed, Republicans said, by positioning himself as a "compassionate conservative," while embracing traditional conservative positions on issues like abortion rights and gay marriage.

But the difference is Mr. Schwarzenegger, who like another actor who became governor of California, is proving that acting skills can be transferred to the business of politics. In the flush of his victory, several Republicans went so far as to talk him up a future presidential candidate — a move is already afoot in Washington to start the cumbersome process of amending the Constitution to remove the prohibition on foreign-born citizens serving as president.

As unlikely as that would seem, Mr. Schwarzenegger's success and his new prominence in national politics seems likely to complicate Mr. Bush's efforts to balance the conservative and moderate wings of his party. He is a more compelling public figure than some of the other moderate voices in the party — in particular, Gov. George E. Pataki of New York and Rudolph W. Giuliani — and he is certain to be awarded a prime speaking slot at next year's Republican convention in New York.

Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman from Florida who is now a television commentator, said the White House would be wise to take a lesson from Mr. Schwarzenegger's victory, noting the close 2000 presidential race and the number of states that were decided by a relatively handful of votes.

Asked whether he thought it was a good idea for the party to move to the center, Mr. Scarborough, who described himself as conservative, responded, "If I'm a strategist, then yeah.

"I think the country right now continues to get more conservative on economic issues and more progressive on social issues. I think Schwarzenegger is ahead of the curve."

According to a New York Times/CBS News poll taken July 13 through July 27, Republicans are generally supportive of abortion rights; 22 percent said that abortion should be generally available, and another 41 percent said it should be available under stricter limits. Republicans are divided on homosexual relations.

Rick Davis, a Republican consultant who advised another prominent moderate Republican, Senator John McCain of Arizona, when he ran for president in 2000, said he viewed the California election as evidence that "there is a pendulum swinging."

"Our party for the last 10 years has tried to run off the moderates," Mr. Davis said. "But it's happening without them."

Steven A. Merksamer, a lawyer in Sacramento who is active in Republican politics, said a big factor in Mr. Schwarzenegger's success was his celebrity, but he added: "His campaign can be a model for Republicans. I'll tell you this: Arnold Schwarzenegger succeeded in uniting the California Republican Party in a way it hasn't been united for years."

Not surprisingly, Mr. Schwarzenegger's victory has created mixed feelings among many conservatives. On one hand, many are delighted that the Republican Party has captured such a huge prize the year before a presidential race.

Yet many have expressed hesitation about this new symbol of the party, questioning his ideological bona fides and wondering how the party could embrace someone who was confronted with accusations that he groped and made lewd comments to more than a dozen women.

"These Schwarzenegger conservatives — now, there is an oxymoron for these times — have embraced a man who is, politically, Hollywood's culture leavened by a few paragraphs of Milton Friedman," George Will, the conservative columnist, wrote this week.

"Schwarzenegger's conservative supporters have furled the flag of `family values' while mocking their participation in the anti-Clinton sex posse," Mr. Will wrote. "They were unoffended by Schwarzenegger's flippant assertions that only the `religiously fanatic' oppose human cloning — not just stem cell research, but cloning."

For all that, there is no reason to believe, at this point, that Mr. Schwarzenegger is looking to do anything outside California. As several Republicans noted, he has more than enough work to do taking over this state, and he spent much more time in his campaign talking about cutting taxes than about his support for, say, abortion rights.

"He's got some real challenges right now," Mrs. Whitman said.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; catrans; politicalshift; schwarzeneger
"he is certain to be awarded a prime speaking slot at next year's Republican convention in New York."

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This is the one key paragraph here my friends. Given the way the NYT is bringing out the Northeastern Pubbies, it seems like some sort of attempt by the media establishment to modify the Republican Party from within. Maybe start a civil war and force out the "radicals."

Everyone is going to watch Schwarzenegger when he gives that speech at the Republican National Convention. It will be like the Superbowl.

WHAT IS HE GOING TO SAY TO THE COUNTRY? Just makes me a bit nervous.

1 posted on 10/11/2003 9:00:23 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
LOL. The NYT tries to give conservatives advice. And as if that wasn't transparent enough, they have to solicit quotes from Whitman and Weld to do so.
4 posted on 10/11/2003 9:16:19 AM PDT by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: NittanyLion
My thoughts exactly; it's funny that the Times is suddenly so concerned. Obviously, McClintock would have been a much better choice but, in California, a 50% consevative is a big improvement over a 100% liberal.
5 posted on 10/11/2003 9:33:24 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
The NYT and LAT will continue to attack Arnold for being insufficiently liberal for the rest of his term. He will get no honeymoon from them despite fact he's a liberal on social issues.
6 posted on 10/11/2003 9:35:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
What I really get a kick out of is that Arnold says that he is "a social liberal but a fiscal conservative" (a contradiction of terms, really) which is what a lot of liberals from the Clintons and Dean on down claim themselves to be. So, in theory, Arnold could be their guy but the (R) next to his name keeps their left knees jerking.
I hope that their unprincipled opposition will drive Arnold to the Right.
7 posted on 10/11/2003 9:56:38 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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8 posted on 10/11/2003 10:31:55 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: Chi-townChief
"I hope that their unprincipled opposition will drive Arnold to the Right. "
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This will never happen. It would drive him out of town first. I will place money that a recall would happen again and with great ease if this Austrian immigrant starts changing his "social liberal" to more "rightist" views.
9 posted on 10/11/2003 10:34:57 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Oil is America`s addiction.)
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To: ExGuru
Are you suggesting that the Republican party would be able to "run-off" the Terminator for being fiscally conservative and sociall liberal?. Not a chance. This is what most Americans say they want and his stardom is so great (I have not seen a poll, but am willing to wager that his name and face recognition are the same as the President) and his pockets deep enough that he could start his own party. If he succeeds in California and the Pubbies don`t start moving to the center, expect a great schism in the Republican party. Just a little prediction.
10 posted on 10/11/2003 10:39:06 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Oil is America`s addiction.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I wouldn't expect a great schism; The Right, Repunlicans, Conservatives, etc, what ever you like to call us have always been a loose coalition that always seem to be involved in constant disagreement and debate whereas liberals are much more monolithic and can stay in goosestep with each other pretty well.
11 posted on 10/11/2003 10:53:00 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
whereas liberals are much more monolithic and can stay in goosestep with each other pretty well.
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LOL. As humourous as this is, I don`t think it very true. It is also exactly what they accuse us of. If you pay attention, they have degrees of argument as to how extreme to implement their views. Not all Dems are communists just their leadership.
12 posted on 10/11/2003 11:05:00 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Oil is America`s addiction.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
With Maria backing him up and the Shriver clan et al...
He has some outstanding PR help
With his core of advisors he has not alienated the majority of fiscally conservative or berated other conservatives..
He's in an that is all there is to that..
Now ya gotta work with the guy...hoping to influence him more to the right ..if possible..
The dems adamannt far left wacco agenda will probably make him angry...perhaps enough to pull more to the conservative side...

Win the War on Terror...Drill California
13 posted on 10/11/2003 11:10:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I guess we just disagree on this one.
One more point, though: consider the way we are governed. Now that the Pubbies have the presidency and congressional majorities, there's always a lot of disagreement on policy, in essence, about how to govern. When the situation was reversed and Clinton and the rats were in, they all stuck with Slick Willie so much that a lot of them went down with his ship in '94 as he abandoned it (shoving the women and children out of his way, of course.)
14 posted on 10/11/2003 11:13:32 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; goldstategop
Jill Stewart just appeared on FOX and claimed that the LAT had 24 reporters working furiously to dig up dirt on AS. The IMPOSED attitude in the newsroom is DESTROY AS no matter what.

LAT reporters told Jill themselves, and are upset about this conspiracy.

They also said all of AS's businesses and charities were squeaky clean, much to the chagrin of the LAT. They buried this on p 24 before the election...
15 posted on 10/11/2003 11:13:51 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Celebrate Globalism)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It's highly doubtful that another recall will be tried. Unless the libs feel like shooting themselves in the foot.
16 posted on 10/11/2003 11:14:52 AM PDT by Tempest
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"I don't think this means that the party nationally should move to the center in any way," he said.

I hope Moore is right, but somehow doubt it. Unforunately, however, the Republican Party is too much like the Democrats when it comes to "moderate" politics.

A "Moderate," straddling the centerline ,doesn't stand for a damned thing. Like a deer caught in the headlights he's afraid to move out of harm's way, but stands like an idiot and allows the 18-wheeler to plow right over him.

Every year the political mess continues to sicken us as we watch the political class perpetually run for office with vapid cries of "I'm fighting for families," or some other similar nonsense like, "fighting for children."

If America's electorate ever wakes up and realizes what they've allowed this political class to do to them there could be a new kind of revolution and it will be welcomed.

17 posted on 10/11/2003 11:28:24 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
I think some people are going too "big picture" too soon based on the successful candidicy of one man in one very unique election.The idea that one can be fiscally conservative and socially moderate does not seem far fetched to Californians because that's the way we live.We are fiscally conservative out of neccesity, it's freakin EXPENSIVE to live here and we are socially "tolerant" because just about every "lunatic fringe" activist in the country seems to have migrated here.You just can't kill em so we ignore them.There should be plenty of room in the party for moderates and conservatives and it's usefull and neccessary to increase the base in area's that traditional conservative Republicans don't do so well i.e. CA. or NY.
18 posted on 10/11/2003 1:49:56 PM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The Republican party should get all the Democrat
elected officials in the country to join
the party then everyone could a Republican
and we could go ahead of socialize everything
and get the constitution etc.. since Republicans
are doing it.
19 posted on 10/11/2003 7:06:54 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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