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1 posted on 10/11/2003 7:34:10 AM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 10/11/2003 7:36:34 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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3 posted on 10/11/2003 7:38:30 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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Well, let's go back to the basics. The Bush administration has NEVER said that Saddam was responsible for or involved with 9/11. What they said was that Saddam was linked to al-Qaida. It is the lamestream media that changed the story to say that Saddam was linked to 9/11 and then tried to pin it on the Bush administration.

The two stories are neither equivalent, nor are they the same. For them to now claim that Cheney is the one lying only makes their original lie that much larger.

These people are so full of hatred and so full of themselves that even when told something as simple as "we don't know" (how much simpler does it get?), they try to smear the Bush administration. And, yet, they had no problem with other infamous phrases such as "I never had sexual relations with that woman . . . Miss Lewinsky" or "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

And they expect us to believe that there is no bias in the media. Sorry, we aren't ALL Democrats.
4 posted on 10/11/2003 7:46:43 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Bush's take on al-Qaeda and Iraq was that the connection between the two created the risk of a future attack on the U.S. that could only be averted by brining down Saddam. I find it hard to believe that any reasonable person could deny it.
5 posted on 10/11/2003 8:17:11 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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8 posted on 10/11/2003 8:35:04 AM PDT by secretagent
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The fact that an idiot like Derrick Z. Jackson is, as usual, on the side of the war critics should convince many fence-sitters of the virtues of the Bush admininstration's moves. The critics are ignoring a lot of smoke to say that there is no fire. They have their heads stuck firmly in the sand. They do not want to believe any evidence of Iraq-Al-qaeda collusion for obvious reasons. It would prove them wrong. Well they are extremely wrong. But they've convinced themeselves that by shouting louder and louder that they are right. That just makes them fools.
9 posted on 10/11/2003 8:39:29 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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Probably doesnt help that the US govt. refused to hire
80 qualified/experienced Arabic translators
for fear of offending Muslims....
-because they were Jews
no fear of offending Jews apparently
14 posted on 10/11/2003 8:56:53 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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It's been nearly six months. That call never came. As of Thursday, no one from the U.S. government had contacted Potter about the document his editors are now holding.

It's been obvious for a couple of years that the CIA doesn't WANT to find any connection between al Qaeda and Saddam. There's no other way to explain why they have failed to investigate this lead, which was widely publicized at the time.

This article doesn't even mention Atta's meeting in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent. He flew over especially to meet with this guy. GEORGE TENET repeatedly and personally denied to the press that the meeting took place. The only trouble is, the top Czech officials who insisted that he did continued to stick to their story. Does anybody believe that sick clintonoid Tenet?

It's unlikely that something like this can ever be proven 100%. But I'd say that the evidence so far indicates maybe 90 or 95%. Tenet is a traitor, to his president and to his country. He's one more clintonoid who puts ideology and power ahead of the national interest.

15 posted on 10/11/2003 9:19:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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You know, "evidence" and "proof" is a good distinction. Liberals settle for "evidence" in cases where the target is conservative, but demand ironclad "proof" when the target is liberal or anti-American (redundant, I know.)
16 posted on 10/11/2003 9:24:01 AM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians blow up over the least little thing...)
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Who really cares whether Saddam has WMDs or el Queda terrorist training camps?

Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism. The nationality doesn't really matter does it?

Is an Iraqi homicide bomber OK, and a Palistinian homicide bomber not OK?

I say kill them all.
18 posted on 10/11/2003 9:36:26 AM PDT by Z-28
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Bump!
19 posted on 10/11/2003 9:37:04 AM PDT by windchime
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BTTT for good reading!
20 posted on 10/11/2003 10:18:39 AM PDT by SW6906
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BTT
29 posted on 10/11/2003 1:21:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Pokey78
I don't know if it's just me, but every adult male I've encountered in my life who goes by the name Josh is a whiney liberal twerp.

Yes, it's totally irrelevant :-)
44 posted on 10/12/2003 12:46:53 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (It's time to recall W spokesman Scott McClellan)
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45 posted on 10/12/2003 1:33:59 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const tag& constTagPassedByReference)
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A meaty article. I'd like to see way more mention of its points from the administration and the media.

Ahmad Shakir and Abdul Yassin: I'd like these names as familiar to the public as Mohamad Atta.
55 posted on 10/12/2003 5:36:52 PM PDT by secretagent
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Here is the Press the Meat transcript:

MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.

MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ’93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.

Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we’ve had the story that’s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know.

Transcript in Post #26

So why are they seizing on the "I don't know" quote? There was much more info in that transcript that implicates Iraq in the 1993 bombing, which shows cooperation between al Qaeda and Iraq. Lots of good info on that thread. More:

According to a report Sunday by the Associated Press, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "told his interrogators he had worked in 1994 and 1995 in the Philippines with Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah on the foiled Bojinka plot to blow up 12 Western airliners simultaneously in Asia."

Yousef, of course, was the man who plotted and executed the failed 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who entered the U.S. on an Iraqi passport the year before and whose partner in the plot, Abdul Rahman Yasin, was granted sanctuary by Saddam Hussein after the attack. Yasin is still at large.

Unmentioned by the AP, Mohammed's account of meetings with Yousef has been corroborated by Yousef's Bojinka partner, Abdul Hakim Murad. After his capture in 1995, Murad told the FBI that he and Yousef were contacted by Mohammed repeatedly during their time in the Philippines. Murad's FBI 302 witness statements detailing the contacts are reprinted in the new book "1000 Years for Revenge," by investigative reporter Peter Lance.

Another intriguing detail unmentioned by the AP, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is Ramzi Yousef's uncle.

Just last week, new documents uncovered by U.S. investigators in Iraq implicated Saddam's regime in the 1993 attack.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Account Links 9/11 to '93 WTC Attack

And more on Yasin:

Eight years have passed since Abdul Rahman Yasin bade hasty farewell to New York and flew to Baghdad. There he initially passed the time by fielding telephone calls placed by solicitous FBI agents and finding a niche in Saddam Hussein's police state. By all appearances, Yasin has lived a quiet, secluded life there.

Bush on Oct. 10 named Yasin as one of the world's 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Bush's list is headed by Osama bin Laden and his cohorts in al-Qaida, the terror group accused of finishing the destruction of the New York landmark begun by Yasin and others.

There is no doubt about Yasin's whereabouts after the 1993 outrage. The FBI agents who perfunctorily questioned Yasin in New York and were conned by his pleasant manner quickly understood their mistake in letting him go. They got his brother to telephone Yasin in Baghdad repeatedly to ask him to come back for more questioning. Guess what? Mr. Yasin sent his regrets.

In 1998 then-FBI Director Louis Freeh said publicly that the fugitive was "hiding in his native Iraq." The Iraqi National Congress, the leading anti-Saddam movement, earlier obtained a photograph of Yasin in Baghdad and provided it to Washington. Every indication points to Yasin's not having left Iraq since then, a senior U.S. official tells me.

Will We Find Abdul Rahman Yasin?

Maybe we should send the CIA a bunch of "connect-the-dots" coloring books so they can get some practice in.

57 posted on 10/14/2003 7:04:29 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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58 posted on 06/21/2004 12:56:18 PM PDT by Lyford
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bttt


59 posted on 07/19/2004 8:20:44 AM PDT by votelife (Calling abortion a women's issue is like calling war a men's issue!)
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