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Stryker force loads gear for Iraq voyage
Troops will take family memories with them
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| Saturday, October 11, 2003
| Mike Barber
Posted on 10/11/2003 6:56:10 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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None of the soldiers who will use them, . . . voiced a hint of a concern with the Strykers.The Stryker is really that good that American soldiers won't gripe about it?
For the first time, the Army has fully integrated combined arms at the company level -- a coming together, for example, of soldiers proficient in mortars, artillery, armor and infantry into the smaller unit.
How can an "infantrycentric" motorized rifle company fully integrate arms they do not have?
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posted on
10/11/2003 6:57:41 AM PDT
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posted on
10/11/2003 6:59:31 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
combined arms team -- The full integration and application of two or more arms or elements of one Military Service into an operation.
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posted on
10/11/2003 7:04:00 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
>How can an "infantrycentric" motorized rifle company fully integrate arms they do not have?
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"... We are in the midst of a revolution in military affairs (RMA) unlike any seen since the Napoleonic Age, when France transformed warfare with the concept of leve en masse. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jay Johnson has called it "a fundamental shift from what we call platform-centric warfare to something we call network-centric warfare," and it will prove to be the most important RMA in the past 200 years. ...
Network-centric warfare and all of its associated revolutions in military affairs grow out of and draw their power from the fundamental changes in American society. These changes have been dominated by the co-evolution of economics, information technology, and business processes and organizations, and they are linked by three themes:
* The shift in focus from the platform to the network
* The shift from viewing actors as independent to viewing them as part of a continuously adapting ecosystem
* The importance of making strategic choices to adapt or even survive in such changing ecosystems
These themes have changed the nature of American business today, and they also have changed and will continue to change the way we conduct the sometimes violent business of the military. We are some distance from a detailed understanding of the new operations--there is as yet no equivalent to Carl von Clausewitz's On War for this second revolution--but we can gain some insight through the general observation that nations make war the same way they make wealth.
The Underlying Economics Have Changed
The organizing principle of network-centric warfare has its antecedent in the dynamics of growth and competition that have emerged in the modern economy. The new dynamics of competition are based on increasing returns on investment, competition within and between ecosystems, and competition based on time. Information technology (IT) is central to each of these.
The U.S. economy has been on a steady growth path generally attributed to the emergence of larger global markets, the globalization of labor and capital, and the widespread application of information technology within business enterprises. ..."
["Network-Centric Warfare: Its Origin and Future," by Vice Admiral Arthur K. Cebrowski, U.S. Navy, and John J. Garstka]
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Decision makers
at the very top of our
miltary seem
to be living in --
making decisions based on --
a very strange world...
To: Cannoneer No. 4
You know, I haven't really looked into the Stryker that much but as a former 11 Charlie, you bring up a good point- where do the mortar men fit into this setup? What sort of mortar crews do they have attached? Heavy, medium what? Do they ride in the Stryker vehicles and dismount to fire or do they still follow the vehicles around in their mortar tracks? Or what? Do you know at all?
To: Valin; All
Read
Not So Innocent by Ralph Peters. The Stryker Brigade will only succeed in Iraq if the media allows it to. The media is also in a position to sugar-coat failure.
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posted on
10/11/2003 8:20:45 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Prodigal Son
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posted on
10/11/2003 8:36:39 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Prodigal Son

High tech mortar mount in a Piranha III
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posted on
10/11/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: All
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posted on
10/11/2003 9:22:50 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
You tagline continues to make me laugh, albeit very nervously.
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posted on
10/11/2003 9:39:24 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Looks like they will get heavier and heavier until they are tanks. I think there will be a family of these vehicles, various weights and shooters. Was urban combat the one that Shinseki saw the French with in Kosevo?
Story out of the Olympia newspaper
The Army developed the Stryker program to fill a gap between its light and heavy forces by providing units that are more fleet-footed than tanks but more lethal and better protected than foot soldiers in Humvees.
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posted on
10/11/2003 9:56:05 AM PDT
by
inPhase
To: FreedomPoster
Friendly fire, isn't.

When I was a young man we had a deck of flash cards with pictures of armored vehicles, and whenever we hurried up to wait instead of standing around scratching our nuts we did hip pocket training on vehicle identification. The gunner got about 2 seconds to shoot or not shoot. Not shooting a bad guy got you razzed by the rest of the crew, or sometimes the whole platoon. Shooting a good guy got you pushups while you screamed "I will not kill our British (or German or whoever) allies!" at the top of your lungs with each repetition.
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posted on
10/11/2003 10:04:45 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Shooting a good guy got you pushups while you screamed "I will not kill our British (or German or whoever) allies!" at the top of your lungs with each repetition. As an Intel officer I used to conduct threat I.D. with those cards and other devices. After doing so I decided that combat boots were probably the only safe mode of transportation in a war zone.
I still remember seeing that footage of the Apache gunner that took out the Bradley in Gulf War 1. My jaw dropped that he could not tell what it was, even through the NV system. And these guys train hard to be able to tell the difference. That's why we went to draping our vehicles with those stripped panels reminicent of the D-Day invasion stripes.
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posted on
10/11/2003 10:25:12 AM PDT
by
PsyOp
( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
To: FreedomPoster


BTR-80------------------------------------------------BTR-70
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posted on
10/11/2003 10:27:39 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Oh, I know, it's going to be tough telling at a distance. I guess reducing blue-on-blue incidents is one of the advantages of the modern networked systems, but the idea that someone else might be able to peek and know where everyone is at makes me nervous, too.
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posted on
10/11/2003 10:33:15 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Why cna't we get congress to look at this? http://www.combatreform.com/strykerprogram.htm
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posted on
10/11/2003 10:45:39 AM PDT
by
rmlew
(Copperheads are traitors)
To: rmlew
HTML Boot Camp hip pocket lesson:
LIGHT ARMOR FOR FULL-SPECTRUM OPERATIONS
<
a href="
http://www.combatreform.com/strykerprogram.htm
">title, in this case LIGHT ARMOR FOR FULL-SPECTRUM OPERATIONS
< /a> but delete the space between < and /
Everybody in Congress who cares has already seen that.
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posted on
10/11/2003 11:06:13 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: All
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posted on
10/11/2003 11:33:53 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
To: theFIRMbss
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posted on
10/11/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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