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Stryker force loads gear for Iraq voyage Troops will take family memories with them
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | Saturday, October 11, 2003 | Mike Barber

Posted on 10/11/2003 6:56:10 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

TACOMA -- The Army's faster and more versatile new Stryker brigade, developed at Fort Lewis, yesterday began loading more than 2,500 combat vehicles and equipment aboard cavernous ships bound for a monthlong voyage to Iraq.

But some of the troops in this vanguard of the 21st-century Army carry things more personal.

Capt. Roy Montgomery's wife, Karen, gave him a special journal in which to record all that the 25-year-old Arizona native's senses will take in.

Sgt. 1st Class Michael Hall, a 52- year-old Tennessean who joined the military in 1968 during the Vietnam War, will again take the coin his wife has given him during all his deployments.

Staff Sgt. John Vuksinic, 34, of Chicago will take pictures and memories of the early Christmas he just celebrated with his 2-year-old son, Seth, and wife, Karen, a middle-school math teacher.

"She got me a new laptop for the dirt over there to eat up," he said. "And every husband will have a picture of his wife."

The men and women of the unit are busy gathering memories to savor once they are gone.

"We appreciate the little things more. Taking my wife to dinner, sitting on a couch watching television while my son climbs all over me, these are little things we don't take for granted," Vuksinic said yesterday as the brigade's heavy-combat vehicles rumbled aboard the Navy ship Sisler.

The three soldiers are members of the Fort Lewis-based 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, the first of two Stryker brigades created over the last three years as the Army begins to transform itself from a Cold War leviathan into a quicker, leaner fighting force.

The brigade's 3,600 soldiers will fly to Iraq later this month.

Nearly 2,500 Army vehicles have been rolling in convoys from Fort Lewis to the Port of Tacoma this week to load aboard Military Sealift Command's Sisler and USNS Shugart.

Among them are about 300 of the new Stryker vehicles for which the unit is nicknamed, but whose usefulness and safety were questioned last month after a third of their ceramic armor was found to be defective in live-fire tests.

Yesterday, Lt. Col. Robert Choppa, the deputy brigade commander, said the problem has been fixed.

"All 3mm armor added to the vehicles has been done," Choppa said, referring to the plan to fix the problem by adding steel backing to existing armor.

General Dynamics Land Systems, which built the Strykers, rushed several teams of experts to Fort Lewis to strengthen the vehicles within a month after tests at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland revealed that several different tile types could not stop small-arms fire slightly larger than a .50-caliber bullet.

The Strykers, at $1.5 million each, are the Army's first new combat vehicles in 20 years. Swift and smooth riding with better mileage than any tactical armored vehicle, they can carry 11 soldiers each and feature personal computers capable of "seeing" friend and foe.

None of the soldiers who will use them, who helped create them and trained in every kind of scenario from close combat to major engagements, voiced a hint of a concern with the Strykers.

"We've put them through tests in desert environments in California and in heat and humidity in Louisiana," said Hall, a senior sergeant.

"Now, basically, we have more intelligence-gathering systems -- we have the technology to 'see' the enemy at a distance before we engage."

Vuksinic, who already served in Iraq during Desert Storm but in the Air Force, said flatly, "I have full confidence in the Stryker."

Although attention has fallen upon the vehicles, it is the troops, their training and composition that really differentiate the Stryker brigades.

For the first time, the Army has fully integrated combined arms at the company level -- a coming together, for example, of soldiers proficient in mortars, artillery, armor and infantry into the smaller unit. And most of this brigade has been together since its inception three years ago.


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KEYWORDS: 3rdbde2id; army; deployed; sbct; stryker; strykerbrigade; wheeledarmor
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None of the soldiers who will use them, . . . voiced a hint of a concern with the Strykers.

The Stryker is really that good that American soldiers won't gripe about it?

For the first time, the Army has fully integrated combined arms at the company level -- a coming together, for example, of soldiers proficient in mortars, artillery, armor and infantry into the smaller unit.

How can an "infantrycentric" motorized rifle company fully integrate arms they do not have?

1 posted on 10/11/2003 6:56:10 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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2 posted on 10/11/2003 6:57:41 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; blackbag; ...

Stryker Brigade Combat Team Tactical Studies Group (Chairborne)

3 posted on 10/11/2003 6:59:31 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
combined arms team -- The full integration and application of two or more arms or elements of one Military Service into an operation.
4 posted on 10/11/2003 7:04:00 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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>How can an "infantrycentric" motorized rifle company fully integrate arms they do not have?

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Network-centric warfare and all of its associated revolutions in military affairs grow out of and draw their power from the fundamental changes in American society. These changes have been dominated by the co-evolution of economics, information technology, and business processes and organizations, and they are linked by three themes:

* The shift in focus from the platform to the network
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* The importance of making strategic choices to adapt or even survive in such changing ecosystems

These themes have changed the nature of American business today, and they also have changed and will continue to change the way we conduct the sometimes violent business of the military. We are some distance from a detailed understanding of the new operations--there is as yet no equivalent to Carl von Clausewitz's On War for this second revolution--but we can gain some insight through the general observation that nations make war the same way they make wealth.

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["Network-Centric Warfare: Its Origin and Future," by Vice Admiral Arthur K. Cebrowski, U.S. Navy, and John J. Garstka]
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5 posted on 10/11/2003 7:31:10 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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You know, I haven't really looked into the Stryker that much but as a former 11 Charlie, you bring up a good point- where do the mortar men fit into this setup? What sort of mortar crews do they have attached? Heavy, medium what? Do they ride in the Stryker vehicles and dismount to fire or do they still follow the vehicles around in their mortar tracks? Or what? Do you know at all?
6 posted on 10/11/2003 7:53:08 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Valin; All
Read Not So Innocent by Ralph Peters. The Stryker Brigade will only succeed in Iraq if the media allows it to. The media is also in a position to sugar-coat failure.
7 posted on 10/11/2003 8:20:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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To: Prodigal Son
The Stryker Mortar Carrier is armed with a 120mm M121 mortar, with stowage for 60 mortar rounds. The mortar can only be fired from the ground -- not from the vehicle -- thereby increasing the risk from counter-mortar fires.
8 posted on 10/11/2003 8:36:39 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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To: Prodigal Son

High tech mortar mount in a Piranha III

9 posted on 10/11/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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Stryker brigade ships out; soldiers follow next month Army's experimental design will soon be tested in Iraq

Story out of the Olympia newspaper

10 posted on 10/11/2003 9:22:50 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
You tagline continues to make me laugh, albeit very nervously.
11 posted on 10/11/2003 9:39:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (In for the monthly deal since 3 quarterlies ago - support Free Republic!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Looks like they will get heavier and heavier until they are tanks. I think there will be a family of these vehicles, various weights and shooters. Was urban combat the one that Shinseki saw the French with in Kosevo?

Story out of the Olympia newspaper

The Army developed the Stryker program to fill a gap between its light and heavy forces by providing units that are more fleet-footed than tanks but more lethal and better protected than foot soldiers in Humvees.
12 posted on 10/11/2003 9:56:05 AM PDT by inPhase
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To: FreedomPoster
Friendly fire, isn't.

When I was a young man we had a deck of flash cards with pictures of armored vehicles, and whenever we hurried up to wait instead of standing around scratching our nuts we did hip pocket training on vehicle identification. The gunner got about 2 seconds to shoot or not shoot. Not shooting a bad guy got you razzed by the rest of the crew, or sometimes the whole platoon. Shooting a good guy got you pushups while you screamed "I will not kill our British (or German or whoever) allies!" at the top of your lungs with each repetition.

13 posted on 10/11/2003 10:04:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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Shooting a good guy got you pushups while you screamed "I will not kill our British (or German or whoever) allies!" at the top of your lungs with each repetition.

As an Intel officer I used to conduct threat I.D. with those cards and other devices. After doing so I decided that combat boots were probably the only safe mode of transportation in a war zone.

I still remember seeing that footage of the Apache gunner that took out the Bradley in Gulf War 1. My jaw dropped that he could not tell what it was, even through the NV system. And these guys train hard to be able to tell the difference. That's why we went to draping our vehicles with those stripped panels reminicent of the D-Day invasion stripes.

14 posted on 10/11/2003 10:25:12 AM PDT by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: FreedomPoster

BTR-80------------------------------------------------BTR-70

15 posted on 10/11/2003 10:27:39 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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Oh, I know, it's going to be tough telling at a distance. I guess reducing blue-on-blue incidents is one of the advantages of the modern networked systems, but the idea that someone else might be able to peek and know where everyone is at makes me nervous, too.
16 posted on 10/11/2003 10:33:15 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (In for the monthly deal since 3 quarterlies ago - support Free Republic!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Why cna't we get congress to look at this? http://www.combatreform.com/strykerprogram.htm
17 posted on 10/11/2003 10:45:39 AM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads are traitors)
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HTML Boot Camp hip pocket lesson:

LIGHT ARMOR FOR FULL-SPECTRUM OPERATIONS

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http://www.combatreform.com/strykerprogram.htm

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Everybody in Congress who cares has already seen that.

18 posted on 10/11/2003 11:06:13 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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Canada Didn't Go To War But Their Businesses Did
19 posted on 10/11/2003 11:33:53 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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To: theFIRMbss
LOL

Read The Way Things Really Work

You might get a chuckle out of it.

20 posted on 10/11/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Honest, LT, I thought it was a BTR-80; it looked just like a BTR-80 through my thermals)
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