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To: TheCrusader
Paul spoke very plainly. You have the nerve to claim corruption by Protestants. Hello! Right in the midst of the Catholic Church paying off victims, protecting the perverts, and you talk about corruption.

By the way you left out the "women" Paul spoke about and a number of them were not lay people or "nums" some were in what you call the "PRIEST" role.

Now your LATIN is not the original, and I am not giving a cleansing of translations done that do infact corrupt the word done by some Protestants.

Ever since the "garden party" of Genesis MAN has blamed the woman. Not you nor the pope nor your CHURCH is in control and if our Heavenly Father chooses to use a "woman" to fulfill a duty it will be done. Seems our Heavenly Father sent a strong message to flesh "MAN" I don't need you to fulfill MY plan when HE and with no help of any flesh man brought forth Christ.

Traditions of man will get man in big trouble especially if their traditions goes against what is actually written.
151 posted on 10/14/2003 7:19:54 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Paul spoke very plainly."

Yes, he did. And he said "sister", not "wife", according to the Greek texts, the ancient Latin texts, and all the Egnlish language pre-Protestant heretic texts.

"You have the nerve to claim corruption by Protestants. Hello! Right in the midst of the Catholic Church paying off victims, protecting the perverts, and you talk about corruption."

Actually the victims sued the Church for damages through their attornies, and there were out of Court settlements. This is hardly "paying off victims"; I think the law calls it 'monetary settlement for damages'.

More importantly, there is no doctrinal corruption of Christianity due to the personal sin of priests, sin was present even amongst the Apostles themselves. Peter denying Christ three times, Judas betraying Jesus, several Apostles arguing amongst themselves about who was the greatest of them, Thomas refusing to believe Our Lord's resurrection even as he stood face-to-face, eye-to-eye with Jesus. Conversely, there is everything doctrinal about corrupting the Bible, the Word of God, which the Protestants did by eliminating seven canonical books, adding words to Scripture, (Luther openly admitted this), and 'translating' the Word in a corrupted way.

If we are to discuss the personal sin of individuals, we need to talk about televangelist Jimmy Bakker, who enjoyed bilking his elderly followers of their money, and who built a gold dog house for his mutt with their donations. We need to talk about Jimmy Swaggert and his sexual trists with hookers. We need to discuss the openly homosexual Bishops that the Protestant Churches are knowingly and joyfully electing to lead them, and the rancor and divisions this is causing their 'church'. We need to discuss Martin Luther's book about the Jews, of which he wrote they should be killed and have their possessions taken from them. Ah, but I digress.

"By the way you left out the "women" Paul spoke about and a number of them were not lay people or "nums" some were in what you call the "PRIEST" role."

Paul plainly taught that women cannot teach in the Church, and that they should submit to their husbands "even as the Church submits to Christ" Women never assumed the role of priest in the Hebrew tradition, (until recent times), and women have never assumed the role of priest in the Christian Church because Jesus was a man, and a woman cannot become a man.

Still, the Catholic Church has always held women in the highest regard, and even calls the Virgin Mary "God's highest creation", higher even than the angels and saints. The Catholic Church has canonized, glorified and venerated hundreds of women Saints, for example: Joan of Arc, St. Teresa of Liseaux, St. Anne the mother of Mary, St. Monica the mother of Augustine, Saint Agnes the Virgin Martyr--- and soon the beloved Mother Teresa will be a beatified, the first step to Sainthood.

"Now your LATIN is not the original"

I don't know what you mean by 'not original', but if you're saying that the King James, (and it's three hundred variations), is original, then you need to be told that it was writtin a thousand years after the Latin Vulgate, and that it was translated with the help of the Latin Vulgate.

There are no serious Protestant Biblical scholars or exegetes who would think of the Latin Vulgate as a version not worthy of study. In the early Protestant Bibles the Latin Vulgate is often mentioned in their introductions as one of their sources. The Latin Vulgate was translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek originals, which are no longer extant. This makes the Vulgate the oldest and purest version of the Bible on earth, as it is older than any of the remaing Greek or Hebrew versions. There is no other complete Bible on the planet that is older or closer to the Originals than the Vulgate.

Around the year 400 A.D. Saint Augustine wrote in his book "City of God", that the Jews of his time gave high praise to St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate, and they said they were very pleased at the accuracy of the Vulgate.

"Ever since the "garden party" of Genesis MAN has blamed the woman." Actually, Adam merely said that Eve gave him the fruit, "and I ate". He did not claim he was 'tricked'. When Eve was asked, she told God that she was 'beguiled' by the serpent, apparently angering God even further for her inability to accept responsibility for her actions, as Adam did.

"He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." (Genesis 3: 11-13)

"Not you nor the pope nor your CHURCH is in control and if our Heavenly Father chooses to use a "woman" to fulfill a duty it will be done."

I guess this puts you in control of Christian doctrine. tee hee.

"Seems our Heavenly Father sent a strong message to flesh "MAN" I don't need you to fulfill MY plan when HE and with no help of any flesh man brought forth Christ."

God sent His angel, (messenger), to ask Mary's permission to bear His Son. The Father's plan required Mary's consent, for just as Eve said "yes" to the Devil, Mary had to say "yes" to the angel. The Angel would not depart from Mary until he had her reply. This amounts to Mary's role as co-redemptrix in God's plan for our salvation. She had a choice, and she chose to say "yes" to God. For this I am eternally grateful.

"In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end." And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?" And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible." And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her." Traditions of man will get man in big trouble especially if their traditions goes against what is actually written.

155 posted on 10/14/2003 11:30:40 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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