Mansoor Ijaz on Greta Van Suesteren - Al Qaeda Planning on Hijacking Super Tankers!

Fox News - On the Record with Greta Van Susteren ^ | 10 Oct 03 | Mansoor Ijaz

[mathluv]

http://sdsd.essortment.com/texascityexplo_rkvi.htm

[John H K]

Yeah....

After Pearl Harbor, which was pretty much a 9/11 equivalent in a lot of ways psychologically, even though the targets were military, the US media was filled with lurid scenarios about what the Japs were going to do to the West Coast; respected magazines had elaborate maps and diagrams of how the Japanese were going to invade, people were claiming to sight Japanese invasion fleets every day off the coast of California, etc.

In reality, of course, not only did the Japanese not invade the mainland US, they never even THOUGHT about it, realizing the impossibility of it. They never even had a serious plan to invade Hawaii, even though there were some very preliminary staff studies on it.

All they managed was to shell a few refineries in California from the deck guns of submarines, and that Rube Goldberg balloon incendiary thing (which unfortunately ended up killing some kids in Oregon, I believe.) There was a plan for suicide Seaplane bombing of refineries in the Gulf that never came off, I think.

Anyway, point is 99.999999% of these stories are going to end up being bogus, despite there being one rather unusual attack being successful.

[blam]

They're talking about putting a LNG plant here in Mobile, at the old Navy home port, about five miles from my house

[John H K]

The tugboat thing strikes me as incredibly silly as well.

Again, the whole movement of ships with tugs takes an incredible amount of time, and people would very quickly notice that tugs that aren't normally based in a given harbor were present.

And all of this doesn't happen in a vacuum; like I mentioned, there is "air traffic control" for busy harbors and large ships, American pilots that are on these ships at all times communicating with the Coast Guard, shipping control, etc.


And I submit that in a given harbor, it actually takes far longer to learn the currents/tides/sandbars etc. and how to maneuver a large ship, much less maneuver a large ship with tugs, than it takes to learn to fly a commercial airliner in clear weather.

[ohmage]

How close could one of these ships get before our Air Force bombed them into oblivion?

That depends on which direction the air force is looking, doesn't it?

I think the Navy would expect to handle this type of 'event'.

[CyberAnt]

"to tow a hijacked tanker into a busy international port"

Have these terrorists never heard of an airplane and a bomb ..?? or .. am I missing something ..??

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...I came in at the end, missed it all. Thanks for this.

...During the last India-Pakistan Confrontation MONSOOR IJAZ stated his concern on 'The Judicial Watch Report' Talk Radio Show about OSAMA bin LADEN being behind it all.

...MONSOOR stated that OSAMA bin LADEN was organizing all this in Western Pakistan in order to divert everyone from his attempts to gain control of Pakistan's NUKE Storage Facilities in the East. OSAMA bin LADEN's plan was to then move NUKES into Sea Containers and get them loaded onto Container Steamships bound for American Ports. Once there these containerized NUKES would move via Rail and Trucks to all points inland, USA.

MONSOOR IJAZ brokered all 3 Offers from the Sudan during the 1990's to bring OSAMA bin LADEN to our custody, which the CLINTONS refused ...bringing the Attacks of September 11, 2001. This he shared with us all on the FoX News Channel on September 12, 2001.

MONSOOR IJAZ, Always Interesting
MONSOOR IJAZ, Always Right
MONSOOR IJAZ, Always Trying

[Monty22]

Carpet bomb the areas even thought to have bin laden in them with nukes. Now.

Right now.

Don't wait another SECOND! What's WRONG with our damn military guys?!

[blam]

"how credible is this ijaz guy? i mean, besides the fact that he's on tv a lot."

Very. He has a BS in nuclear physics...his family is from Pakistan and he is very pro-American. He took an under cover tour of the mosques in Pakistan last year and reported his findings...it was amazing, some of the things he saw/said. He said that he won't be able to go back to Pakistan again.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Mein Koran commands devout muslims to first kill peaceful muslims, even before the "spawn of pigs and monkeys".

A stolen super tanker or almost super could do significant damage to small oil producing states' ship loading assets, cities with a well executed release of LNG as it is heavier than air. Fire rolling in off the water consuming coastal cities is a very real possibility. Suez is also a prime target. North Sea platforms?

Italy and Spain are also nearly American in quality to Mo'ham's boys because they are in our fight while the rest of socialist utopia Euroabia waits to be taken from within.

Targets are many. Jihadies are bold and numerous enough. Could our aircraft or coastal patrol craft sink a super or large tanker on a collision course with target X at its maximum speed, <20 knots, but momentum is overwhelming carrying the hulk for miles after all power is lost or even directional control "Bismarked".

Anyone with specific knowledge of loaded to unloaded speeds of very large cargo ships?

[Chad Fairbanks]

I've read about that - thanks for the link!

[Joy Angela]

Isn't "The Judicial Watch Report" on-the-air
on KRLA, 590 AM in So. Cal tomorrow?

I think it's on from 9-11 am.

Tomorrows' show should be very interesting in the aftermath of the Recall and Rush's announcement!

[AmericaUnited]

That's right John. But our enemies do love to sow fear into the minds of the feeble. Just say NO :)

[Bernard Marx]

FYI: I don't know how such a ship could be brought into a U.S. harbor (although terrible effects could result from something similar in many less-alert foreign harbors). Anyhow, I post this as a history lesson.

The Texas City explosion of 1947

During the morning of April 16, 1947 a seemingly fine rain of oily mist fell upon Galveston, Texas while in Houston a rumbling reminiscent of a small earthquake was felt. What the inhabitants of these cities didn’t know at the time was that a giant explosion and fire had ripped though the booming town of Texas City.

As dawn broke upon Texas City that day its citizens began to enjoy what seemed to be a beautiful spring day. A short time later many would believe the end of the world was upon them. For many it was.

Anchored in the harbor of Texas City that morning was a cargo ship named the “Grand Camp.” In its holds was tons of an ammonium nitrate fertilizer that was to be shipped to Europe. There has been much speculation over the years as to what caused the initial fire upon the Grand Camp but fifty-three years later there has been no definitive answer.

Texas City in 1947 was a booming town whose many residents worked in the nearby refineries and chemical plants. It also was a place with a small town air in which everyone was a friend with everyone else and each knew the business of the other. On April 16th word spread through out the community about the fire upon the Grand Camp and the “pretty orange color that was coming from the black smoke.” As with any accident or fire a crowd of onlookers appeared to watch the Texas City firefighters in action. As word of the fire traveled, the crowd of onlookers grew in number.

The Grand Camp’s crew and possibly the harbor crews knew that the ship was carrying the highly explosive ammonium nitrate but the crowds didn’t or if they did, they were not aware of its highly volatile condition. Of course the standard procedure for dealing with a dangerously burning ship was to tow it by tug as far from the harbor as possible. For some reason this didn’t happen and at 9:00a.m. “The Texas City Disaster” as it will forever be remembered happened.

At 9:00 there was an explosion and a giant column of black smoke rose approximately 2,000 feet into the air. A mere ten to fifteen seconds later a second explosion rocked the ship, which created a violent shockwave, and fire quickly engulfed the Monsanto Chemical Plant in flames due to broken gas lines and containers. Within these few seconds almost the entire Texas City Fire Department was killed as well as the hoards of civilians and children still standing near the docks watching the excitement.

The industrial complexes around the Texas City area were at that time (and still are) connected by pipelines that caused the fires and explosions at the Monsanto plant to quickly spread to the surrounding plants. As at Monsanto entire buildings collapsed trapping workers within the flaming inferno.

Although the shockwave caused a displacement of the water in the harbor and created a small tidal wave that washed inland over one hundred and fifty feet, it did little to save the people from the fires.

News of the explosion quickly spread to Galveston, Houston, Conroe, La Port and Pasadena. Firefighters and police officers from all these towns went to aid in the work at Texas City and by dusk the town was full of rescue workers. Ambulances from all over the area were making repeated trips to John Sealy in Galveston as well as Ben Taub and other hospitals in Houston.

By night though new fears arose as another ship, the “High Flyer” had been burning all day since the original explosion and word was reaching the workers and towns people that she was carrying sulfur and a cargo hold full of ammonium nitrate. All during the day tugs had tried in vain to move her, all to no avail.

The fear of another explosion didn’t keep the rescue workers from removing the injured from the harbor and Montesano areas until 1:00 a.m. when all workers were ordered away. At 1:10 a.m. the High Flyer exploded with greater force than any by the Grand Camp.

As the High Flyer exploded she took another ship, the “Wilson B. Keene,” with her. A concrete warehouse and a grain elevator went up in even more fires and explosions.

On April 16, 1947 the town of Texas City had 16,000 registered inhabitants but by the time the last body was found a month later, six hundred were known dead. The exact number will never be known as many of the victims were incinerated in the blast and there were no remains to be found.

My wife’s father, William Brock was one of the first rescue workers from Houston to reach the scene on April 16th and can be seen in many of the Houston Post newspaper photos that showed scenes of the ruins and rescue work. He told stories of finding a shoe that still had the foot in it but no other part of the body was to be found. Another story told of how he came across a naked man who had been burned black over his entire body.

Mr. and Mrs. Brock both told how he, one of his brothers who was also with the Harris County Sheriff’s Dept. and so many others worked for days in Texas City with little rest or food.

The explosions devastated the town of Texas City. Some reports say there wasn’t a family in the town that didn’t suffer in some way from the disaster, be it a family member’s death, injury or even damage to their home or business.

The fires would continue to burn for a full week and of the six hundred dead, sixty-three would never be identified. Most of these were too badly burned for anyone to recognize them. For these unclaimed bodies, local mortuaries donated cypress caskets and on June 22, 1947 they were laid to rest by various pastors in the area in numbered grave that the city provided. Their pallbearers were members of the veteran’s organizations, labor unions and volunteer firemen. Today there is a monument in honor of the dead.

[CyberAnt]

"we'll have no problem sending one of these ships to the bottom"

I agree .. unless the ship turns out to be a cruise ship.

[CyberAnt]

Sorry .. I gave you the wrong info .. Monsoor is from Pakistan.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET

...The U.S. Senate just refused to authorize funds for the development of small tactical NUKES that BUSH wanted to do precisely what you are asking for.

Thank You HILLARY.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me .. I know the story wasn't about cruise ships - I'M SAYING WHY ISN'T A CRUISE SHIP A BETTER ALTERNATIVE ..?? If a super-tanker won't explode .. what would be the purpose of taking it ..??

[Monty22]

I think we could carpet them well with B61-11's.

Yield does not matter to me.. Heck, use of the B53 9megaton ones in the effort.