Notion Building (Clintonistas plot their return to power)

The New York Times Magazine ^ | 10/12/03 | MATT BAI

[finnman69]

''The question I'm asked most often is, When are we getting our eight words?'' Podesta said. Conservatives, he went on, ''have their eight words in a bumper sticker: 'Less government. Lower taxes. Less welfare. And so on.' Where's our eight-word bumper sticker? Well, it's harder for us, because we believe in a lot more things.''

MORE TAXES, TAX THE RICH, MORE PROGRAMS, BAN THE GUNS, KILL BABIES

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[Old Sarge]

Where's our eight-word bumper sticker?

I gotcher eight words tight here:

"I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN!"

[RandyRep]

Eight words:

Free Health Care, Peaceful Coexistence, Tax the Rich.

They'll probably need more than eight words to describe their socialized view of their ideal world.

[tbpiper]

Whatever the award is for today, you got it!

[what's up]

The prickly Weyrich presided with a scowl from the dais (he is now confined to a wheelchair), from which he exhorted the faithful to get their message out, using words that made him sound like some liberal's parody of Dr. Evil.

Yet he seems to idolize Podesta, the marathon runner, the guy with the wise angular face, etc., etc.

[tet68]

''The question I'm asked most often is, When are we getting our eight words?'' Podesta said. Conservatives, he went on, ''have their eight words in a bumper sticker: 'Less government. Lower taxes. Less welfare. And so on.' Where's our eight-word bumper sticker? Well, it's harder for us, because we believe in a lot more things.''

....."It's harder for us because we believe in a lot more things."

The republican/conservatives have it easy, etc, etc.

Yep it's hard to put demorat beliefs down in eight words.

Socialism,abortion,buggery,theft,slavery,deception,disarmament(you),and finally POWER.

Hey, if I can do it, what are they having a hard time with?

[11B3]

They don't get it. Their lack of 'new vision' is due to the fact that their outlook on the world was invented long ago by Karl Marx.

Their bumper sticker should read:

Socialism: We Still Believe It Can Work Here

[300winmag]

MORE TAXES, TAX THE RICH, MORE PROGRAMS, BAN THE GUNS, KILL BABIES

I can do it in fewer words: All power to the soviets! Your set of buzzwords, worthy as they are, are just means to an end.

Everything the RATs did, do, or hope to do involves increasing government control over every person and every aspect of life. You wouldn't normally do that if your opponent was winning elections, and keeping you out of power. Why let him exercise the power you sought?

The numerous examples of corruption and obstruction of justice in the klinton regime and their electoral hanky-panky starting in 2000 and continuing today tells me the only thing that liberals have not yet accomplished is TOTAL control forever. They have established so much liberalism as the very air that everyone must breathe that they no longer notice how much they have already achieved.

Leftists whine about talk radio, Fox News, and a few think tanks. Those are just small islands in a sea of leftism. The klintons got just about every leftist wet dream desired short of risking civil war.

That leftists whine about these minor annoyances indicates to me that their desire is COMPLETE power, forever. The klintons used the IRS to audit those think tanks, the NRA, The American Spectator, and important conservative contributors. They chilled those conservative/libertarian organizations, but couldn't completely silence them. You can bet that if they get back into power, it will be "no more mister nice guy" this time around. The leftist velvet glove will come off, leaving just the mailed fist.

[Congressman Billybob]

Think about it. Here is a "reporter" for the New York Times describing a meeting of Democrats that took place in such enforced secrecy you must think all the men were wearing garter belts and all the women were carying whips. Ideas that have to hide from the general public are not exactly ideas that will win over the general public.

What this reporter has just described is a meeting of the Board of Directors of a buggy whip factory. In 1910.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Slime and Bigotry on the Campaign Trail," discussion thread on FR. IF YOU WANT A FREEPER IN CONGRESS, CLICK HERE.

[tonyinv]

This is the same formular over and over. Our opponents got nice shiny think tanks, we'll just rent a building and get some phones,a couple desks and some fancy chairs and we'll have one too. Ya..thats it...that'll make us influential.

As if the act of hiring people to sit down and chat about how they are going to chat about ideas they think will eventually materialize is going to do them any good. The reporter at least saw that the conservatives started with core beliefs (the bumper sticker words) and that the dems are still searching for those beliefs.

[namsman]

Absolutely Perfect!!!!

Namsman sends.

[Wife of D28Man]

You remember that old line about success being the ability to fake sincerity convincingly?

The Dems think they can win by cobbling together something that looks very much like a coherent philosophy. Problem is twofold: what animates this drive for a "message" is (1) naked hatred and (2) lust for personal power - and possibly not in that order. Those are the building blocks of failure.

The power of any philosophy comes from being rooted in truth and promulgated with integrity. You can't fake it.

Eventually they'll realize that that was the lesson of the Clinton Era.

[mo]

This article mirrors the DIMS "feelings" about welfare...why just acquiring the proper acoutremnts eliminates poverty, puts us back in power etc. etc. no understanding at all of thought, content, facts and consequential decisionmaking.

[matthazard]

This is a small point, but the brilliant Mr. Podesta also is apparently arithmetically challenged. The "eight word bumper sticker" appears to me to consit of nine words. I guess if you're really smart and "progressive", accuracy is a trivial thing.

[boris]

"Is it a left-leaning TV network to fight back against a right-tilted media?"

As I like to point out, the Gramscian program has entailed a slow, deliberate program of subversion. The Left realized that its grand program of destroying the West could only be achieved by capturing the culture and its organs: hence they began a multi-generation campaign to infiltrate the schools and the media.

The rot is now so deep that it can be remedied only by one of two means: either an equally-patient, multi-generation program of reverse subversion or a bloody civil war.

The Right has not shown much stomach for the first option (at least so far, as apparent to me). Eventually the second will become a reality; I hope I am dead and buried before it does because it will make the first one look like a Sunday-school picnic.

--Boris

[drhogan]

yo, podesta, here are your 8 words: "high taxes, big government, weak defense, grope interns."

[patj]

Here we have Hillary, "the smartest woman in the world", saying they need new ideas, so I guess she has none. Then there is Podesta saying,''At least as a broad-based idea, are you getting what I'm throwing out here?'' Once again, there is that elietist attitude. Which brings up another point, why are democrat orgainizations always refered to as "eliete"? As in "eliete press", "eliete think tanks",etc. Answering my own question; maybe because they are such elietists themselves.

[tom paine 2]

Elite