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To: Torie
Not to demean your favorite author but changing NO! to THIS IS RAPE! addresses not a single point he was trying to make regarding he said, she saids.

Saying no while crying hysterically is probably a giveaway to one of the parties that the sex is not consensual. There is evidence that Kobie Bryant confided to a friend that she was crying hysterically.

Kobie's statement may be the straw that breaks this camels back. We'll see.

496 posted on 10/09/2003 7:39:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
regarding he said, she saids.

Not singling you out or anything, but people keep saying "he said/she said" about this case, but blood, bruises, tearing, and witnesses to her hysterical crying right afterward is NOT a "he said/she said" situation.

507 posted on 10/09/2003 7:45:19 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: jwalsh07
Lawyers are into words, and trying to infuse more precision into discourse, and perhaps more precision about words leaching into the popular culture might be of some help, as opposed to non verbal signals. Clearly the suggestion has no relevance to this case, since the palance has so far only leached from Easterbrook to me, and now to you and Howlin, and a few other cognescenti that read the New Republic, who even if male, probably have never been accused of rape, because they are somewhat cautious as to the females with whom they get involved. Maybe some of that has to do with the fact that most of the readers of the New Republic are over 40, 50, 60 and counting years of age. Granted Tolstoy did not endorse celebacy as the preferred way of life until he was over 80.
509 posted on 10/09/2003 7:46:21 PM PDT by Torie
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To: jwalsh07
Kobie's statement may be the straw that breaks this camels back. We'll see.

This tape may not be allowed into evidence for the real trial. Before the prelim. today one of the stations was discussing this and said in Colorado the police are allowed to tape someone when they are questioning him, even if the person doesn't know it. B U T, Kobe's attorneys are fighting this - they say that Kobe was only being talked to - he was not under arrest, and that it fell under a different Col. law - so it should not be admissable.

570 posted on 10/09/2003 8:38:28 PM PDT by KE
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