Investigator Testifies at Bryant Hearing

Chippawa Valley ^

[F.J. Mitchell]

Some people have a problem not taking advantage of the chance to commit a crime of opportunity. It happens all the time.

[vollmond]

Kobe walks.

On just about every trip down the court ...

[Shermy]

#110

That's more telling than the "consensual" phrase discussed here. IMO, the phrase was neutral.

Anyway, I don't know his politics but I've spoken to a wide variety of people who automatically concluded Kobe is absolutely innocent within a day or two. A lot of them right here on FR.

[Peach]

It all started with Clinton trying to define oral sex as not sex at all. We started down a very dangerous path then and it hasn't gotten better since.

What was discussed today on Court TV should not be discussed on television AT ALL in my view.

And you're right - it's darned absurd for anyone to think young women who go into hotel rooms get what they deserve. I hope those people don't have young daughters who will surely at some point show poor judgment. No one deserves to be raped.

[Mr. Lucky]

Actually the same question is asked by my wife, oh, once a month or so.

[MizSterious]

But riri--no one thought the Luster guy was capable either. He was rich, most thought he was good looking, none of his friends believed it of him. No one thought Ted Bundy could do such a thing either--but a string of bodies proved otherwise.

Rapists don't always look and act like monsters. Especially if they're sociopaths. Clinton snookered an entire nation for almost 8 years.

[Peach]

Pro rape reporters. Pro Saddam reporters. Pro everything bad and evil. Don't get me started.

[Porterville]

Scratch on the arm, a scratch on the face, a large bruise on the bicep... does she have dogs, does she have brush around the house... the vaginal issue is a totally different story... I haven't heard much today about the bruises on the neck??? Did they come out with info on them??

[Sally'sConcerns]

Another point of view in regards to her going into a hotel room... She worked at the hotel and she may have been lulled into a false sense of security because it was on her "home" turf. If she had been invited to a hotel room in a hotel she wasn't so familiar with, she might not have gone into the room. Surrounded by people she worked with and in an environment she was comfortable in may have lulled her into the false sense of security.

[Shermy]

LOL!

Mrs. Aristeides must be a happy woman.

[riri]

I agree. I really don't have a dog in his fight.

One scenario I can certainly imagine. He is supposedly a guy with a pretty low maturity level and very self centered. He may be stuck in a (sexless) marraige. Not knowing how to deal with a situation, the frustration of it all--leads him to act on tendencies he may have had. Who knows.

I just hate to see another bimbo cash in.

[jimbo123]

She probably didn't expect that Kobe Bryant would choke her, throw her over a chair and rape her.

[Sally'sConcerns]

I agree with you. She probably didn't think a celebrity would rape her.

[WackyKat]

I would tell the young lady she was wrong to go to his room and I'd tell Kobe he was, well what was he? I think he was just a man who received an invitation from a woman and he acted on it. They are both young, foolish individuals

So she "deserved" it, huh?

She "deserved" to be choked and bent over a chair by a man twice her size, and to be penetrated while saying "No" and crying?

[MizSterious]

I wondered about the bimbo angle too--but (to the best of my knowledge) she's done nothing to "cash in" at all. Maybe someone else has heard something?

[cyncooper]

Her account is that she let him kiss and hug her. When she tried to leave he put his hands around her neck and forced her over the chair and assaulted her.

Now, whether this is the exact truth or not I cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt at this point, but I do know that agreeing to kiss does not grant license for someone to force sexual intercourse on you keeping his hands around the girl's throat the whole while.

And the fact that she foolishly thought it would be fun to flirt with a basketball star and ask for his autograph does not grant him license to force a sex act such as the one described upon her.

[Peach]

Very well said.

[cyncooper]

Yes, kissing is far short of intercourse. Her story is that is all she permitted. Kissing and holding and when his hands started roving she tried to leave and he put his hands around her throat and kept at least one hand around her throat throughout the rest of the event.

I do think the fact that she worked at the hotel mitigates her decision to enter the room, and she was flat out wrong to engage in the kissing. She had just escorted his bodyguards to their room (on a separate floor) before giving him the tour he asked for. She also asked for an autograph before the kissing started. It's not clear from the reports I've heard if she got it.

[Porterville]

See, I just don't know... as a guy I am very wary of saying that we should take a string of facts and automatically come to a conclusion, because many times in my life I have seen things that have seemed to be the case but were not

As a person with a lot of women in my life, I would hang a pig up for raping my daughter (if I had one) on meat hooks...

that said, if my daughter was nutz and suicidal, well then I would be dubious. I bet her dad is too.

[cyncooper]

HUH? Every woman who has been raped understands the importance of not destroying the evidence/DNA. Some women can't stand it and bathe anyway.

And here's something to think about as a possibility: Word is that Bryant denied even knowing who the girl was when the police first approach him. Eventually he admits to sex but says it was consensual. I wonder if he claimed it happened on the bed and I wonder if they collected forensic evidence off of that chair. Just wondering...(I recall reading the evidence collection team was in that room for quite awhile)