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To: Motherbear
I seem to recall that the synogogue and the church were "the state" for much of history..... 56 posted on 10/09/2003 10:52 AM PDT by Motherbear (u3es)

IMHO, you recall incorrectly. Abraham and Sarah met many Kings (i.e., Chiefs of State) on their journeys, but did not require a "marriage license" from any of them.

And in Juridical Israel, the priests could certainly offer their blessing on a marriage, but the civil Judges were not involved except in cases of Divorce. The same more or less applied in Kingly Israel; civil Judges would adjudicate in case of a Divorce, but the establishment of a Marriage was Private and Religious institution even then -- and I can find nothing in all the Pages of the Bible (Old Testament or New) which commissions the licensing of Marriage to the authority of the State. Modern state-worshippers have usurped this authority to Caesar, but Biblically it is a case of rendering unto Caesar that which is not his.

60 posted on 10/09/2003 10:58:03 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
The one and only thing I would change about my Wedding Day was when the Priest said the line, "And now, by the power granted me by the State of New York, I now pronounce you...". It struck me as wrong at the time, but I was too happy about other things to care...

A religious officiant should never have to rely on powers granted by the State of New York, or any other state, to do anything.

65 posted on 10/09/2003 11:08:23 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills!)
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