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Did you intend to reply to spiff?

Well, no. Should I?

I mean, I am willing to make an effort to communicate with people who back up their arguments with sources.

When people say "you need to read the Constitution!" and leave it at that, I figure they're probably still using training wheels and coaster brakes.

Still, maybe you know spiff better than I do. If there's a cogent argument to be made that the Constitution is a Christian document, I am interested in seeing the proof.

Most of the Founders were Christians. That much is true. Some weren't all that devout, some very devout.
But when we speak of the Foundation, we speak about the federal government, as embodied in the United States Constitution.
The US Constitution is NOT a Christian document. It's an amalgam of good ideas, some derived from English common law, some from the English Constitution, some from the ideals of the Enlightenment, some from the Romans and the Greeks, some truly inspired results of plain old brilliance and hard-core "horse-trading." The fact that some (most?) of the Founders were devout Christians no doubt had some influence on their thoughts.
They most assuredly did not agree that religious men should have dominion over the federal government.
504 posted by CobaltBlue in reply to # 132

I have no argument with your comments above..
In fact, my comments at post #132 agree with your position.

TP raised a strawman here - I never said that the Constitution was a Christian document. I said that the morals and values embodied in the Constitution reflect the Christian values of its framers and the prevailing Judeo-Christian code that is the basis of western civilization.

In the Declaration of Independence, what God do you think the founding fathers recognize as the source of our inalienable rights? To what God did the founding fathers pray during the last three months of the Constitutional Convention? To which God has the Chaplain in Congress prayed since that Convention? Which God is the source of the Ten Commandments which are the primary basis of our laws and which are depicted - recognizing that fact - on the Supreme Court building?

It is God the Father. His son is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. It is He that created us, endowed us with certain inalienable rights, whose divine providence gave us independence from tyranny, whose hand guided the drafting of our Constitution, and whose blessing allows our Republic to exist in freedom today.