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To: Brainshrub
You support a Jewish state in Israel? Fine! But unless you can prove that being Jewish has nothing to do with religion, then how can you get away with claiming that a Jewish state isn't going to have a religious streak. I will go a step further...if you indeed claim that a Jewish state has more to do with lineage than religion, then it is a modified form of another governmental system that I will not mention here.
A yes. here we have it. All states with any element of religion are somewhat theologic and all nation states are Nazi. You may as well be reading a press release from the Communist Third International.
Whether or not you recognize it, you have internalized the Marxist, Gramsciite, and Tranzi attack on the nation state.

We have made HUGE strides toward racial equality here. For example: My former employer (Old guy) used to be a member of the Klan back in the 60's. He is deeply ashamed of his activites back then. Today he plays poker once a week with two black friends, and his grand-daughter married a black man!
That is a quantum leap that hopefully will happen in Israel.

Jews come from all races. There are European Jews, North African Jews, Yemeni Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Arabian Jews, Persian Jews, Mountain Jews, Oriental Jews, Turkic Jews, Indian Jews, Chinese Jews... to say nothing of recent converts like the Black Israelites, some members of the South African Lemba clan (who actually are decended from Jews, but that is another story), and some from Myanmar.
one out of every two Israeli Jews are from Arab countries and are virtually indistinguishable from Arabs.
There are racial tensions, but all the Jews are equal under the law.
Non Jewish Israeli citizens, 20% of the population, are full citizens. In fact they benefit from affirmative action (or rather did under Barak).

If these Rabbinical Courts had so little to do with the machinery of secular government, then why should they care if the cabinet voted to dismantle the Religious Affairs Ministry Wednesday and transfer authority over the rabbinical courts to the Justice Ministry?
Because the secular Israeli courts are on a jihad to deJudaize Israel.

They have allot of power. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.
Cite 2 examples.

You are right on! The term Arab is like saying Caucasian. Germans and French are both types of Caucasians.
Yes and no. Until the 7th century, Arabs were just one group of Semites. It is only through conquest, cultural genocide, and rape that they were able to assimilate the vast majority of Mesopatamean Chaldeans, Assyrians, Levantie Christians, Egyptian Copts, and North African Berbers. Of course, the disposesed minorities in these countries are fighting back to some degree.

In fact, this is precicely why the Palestinains are unable to move into another country...would you force Belgians into France just becase they are both decended from Franks and Saxons?
No. However, the divide between Jordanians and Palestinians is artificial. 90%+ of Jordanians are Palestinian (the rest are members of the Hashemite clan and allies from Arabia and Circassian exiles.) Until 1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan and its inhabitants were Jordanian citizens.
Sudeten Germans would make a better parallel.

As for your definitions, you are a bit confused. All arabs are semites, not all semites are Arabs.

So basically, if you don't like Palestians...you?re an anti-Semite! LOL
Actually, the term "Anti-Semite" was coined by pseudoscientific Austrian Jew-haters who wished to differentiate themselves from Christians who theologically opposed Judaism. These early Aryanists (and direct precursors to the Austrian Nazi Party) coined the term when they labelled themselves the Anti-Semetic party. I do not know their position on Arabs, but Nazis and Neo-Nazis get allong well with Arabs, especially Palestinians.

As to the derivation of the term Arab, it is likely that it comes from the Semetic root "A/E R V/B", which means travel. Of course an a Oriental linguist would give a more definite anser. I don't know any Freeper who speaks Hebrew, Aramaic, Chaldean, Arabic, ancient Yemeni, Ethiopian, ancient Egyptian, and Phoenecian or Cartheginian. (Actually, I don't think that anyone actually speaks all of those, and I am probably mising a semetic language or two.)

I fail to understand what #3 has to do with this conversation. I have seen at least a dozen different maps on each side of this argument. Yet, it is interesting that now you want to point to Palestinian maps that existed in 1921, a full 27 years before the existence of Israel.

The Palestinians have a country on 3/4 of the land!?

So let me get this straight: If you?re an Arab and you migrated to Palestine between 1890 and 1946 (Israel, whatever.) you are a "landless tenant". But if your Jewish and you move to the same area you are simply claiming what is yours after a 1000 year hiatus?
Considering that these did not own land, we are essentially dealing with the equivalent of the illegal Mexicans in the American Southwest.

But like I wrote before: How long to people have to live on the land before they are considered native? 25 years? 100 years? While it is true that many of these people came before 1946...the vast magority arrived before 700 AD. I think over 1000 years is long enough. Nes Pais?
1. I disagree here. The Israeli Arabs are the ones who lived their before 1890. The Transients left on the orders of the Arab armies.
2. The correct French term is "N'est pas" or "is it not?"
To wit: "Je croix que les situations ne soient pas la meme chose. "

Yes, it was wrong for them to expel those people who had been living there for centuries. And it is also wrong for Israel to expel its local population as well. The difference is that the Jews had someplace to go, while the Palestinians didn't. Why? Because the state of Israel took all the land!
Sure they did. They could have gone back to the countries they or their parents grew up in. The few actual Arabs whose decendants were their before 1890 and were told to leave by the Arabs or Israelis, could have gone to Jordan. In fact, they did.

"Brachot al kol yeladim shel avraham!!!"
Bless the Ishmaelites. They countrol 99% of the Middle East. Now if only that could act civilized.

13 posted on 10/09/2003 4:00:39 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads are traitors)
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