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1 posted on 10/08/2003 12:00:33 PM PDT by jmstein7
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2 posted on 10/08/2003 12:01:33 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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"...they think two conservatives suffered damage to their credibility."

Straight out wrong in regards to President Bush. No credibility loss there.

As to rush, yes, there is a hit against his credibility, but it is not permanent, even if it is shown he developed an addiction. As long as he follows his own advice, admit it, explain it, get help and ask forgiveness of your family (and fans), he'll only lose a few, and they'll mostly return to his frequency on the dial.

3 posted on 10/08/2003 12:16:17 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: jmstein7
You are 100 percent right. This is a good read!
4 posted on 10/08/2003 12:16:18 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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Great article!

5 posted on 10/08/2003 12:19:36 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: jmstein7
I would add that yesterday's outcome in California about nails any chance Queen Hillary! will enter the presidential race in '04 -- The loss of California and the Dems uncertain support is too big a risk.
6 posted on 10/08/2003 12:30:24 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: jmstein7
freep the ultimate Rush poll
7 posted on 10/08/2003 12:32:52 PM PDT by Tribune7
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My liberal brother was incense with the smear of Rush, Arnold, and Bush this last week-an astonishing admission. He said he saw nothing derogatory in Rush's ESPN comment and if he was out in California he would vote for Arnold just because of the smear campaign. Although all this is anecdotic, given the voting pattern it has to make you wonder if they went too far and the liberal base is starting to fracture.
11 posted on 10/08/2003 12:45:59 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: jmstein7
Schwarzenegge did not get cut down in California. Rush is not noticeably tottering. Bush is gliding serenely. The all out assault dissipated on the rocks. Hillary will lie low a little longer as the crack to 04 could not be blown open sufficiently to pass her easily.
13 posted on 10/08/2003 12:59:13 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Di Hoi An tham Tra Kieu xin Maria.)
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To: jmstein7
they will be kicking themselves next year at election time when it will be proved, once again, how dangerous it is to underestimate George W. Bush

...and the importance of tax cuts.

15 posted on 10/08/2003 12:59:39 PM PDT by alrea
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To: jmstein7
Rush's advertizers are the real target here.... They represent his real staying power.

Look for a campaign centered on "combating racism" and directed at all of Rush's advertizers.

17 posted on 10/08/2003 1:02:44 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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Downfall of Limbaugh, Bush just liberals' wishful thinking



By Cal Thomas
Originally published October 8, 2003


ARLINGTON, Va. - Liberals had a good week last week, not because they won any arguments, but because they think two conservatives suffered damage to their credibility.
A lot of liberals think their relentless and over-the-top invective against President Bush is starting to pay off because his formerly high approval ratings have declined. They think they have him hooked into a potential political scandal because someone in government leaked the name of a covert CIA employee. However, they will be kicking themselves next year at election time when it will be proved, once again, how dangerous it is to underestimate George W. Bush.

Their other "victory" was the tabloid outing of radio talk-show king Rush Limbaugh. The National Enquirer published a story that cited a former worker in the Limbaugh household alleging that Mr. Limbaugh has abused prescription painkillers. Although Mr. Limbaugh has not been charged with any offense, he has hired a top criminal defense attorney, Roy Black, who defended William Kennedy Smith against rape charges in a case Mr. Limbaugh regularly lampooned on his radio show.

Liberals have been frustrated that their ideological domination of the media has declined, largely because of Mr. Limbaugh and now Fox News Channel (where I have a weekly show). Knocking him off the air would launch a thousand celebrations from Manhattan's Upper East Side to Beverly Hills and Malibu.

What happened after Mr. Limbaugh said on ESPN that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb gets a break from the media because he is black, and that they and the National Football League want a black quarterback to succeed, amounted to censorship. It also reflects the prevailing double standard about race and racial conversation.

Instead of sacking Mr. Limbaugh (he "resigned"), ESPN should have brought in someone the following week to debate him. Not only would ratings have set a record (the network's stated intention for hiring Mr. Limbaugh), ESPN would be demonstrating the highest principles of pluralism, tolerance and ideological diversity.

Black politicians can say virtually anything about whites (such as equating President Bush and Republicans with the Taliban and "canines," as NAACP Chairman Julian Bond did in July 2001) and suffer no political or personal consequences. Whites are limited in what they can say about blacks. ESPN bowed to political correctness that says any perceived criticism of an African-American by a white person is, by definition, racist.

We've seen this before. In an effort to promote policies even many blacks oppose, black "leaders" are quick to tar anyone with the "racist" label should they fail to toe the liberal line.

Many blacks in the 1970s opposed busing to achieve arbitrary racial "balance" because it meant sending their children out of the neighborhood over long distances. That the white politicians who supported busing could afford to send their children to private schools didn't matter, because their intentions were "noble." If you were white and opposed busing, you were branded a racist and silenced by the charge alone. Whether busing was good social policy (as it proved not to be) could not be debated at the time.

When Mr. Limbaugh emerged on the national scene, he provided a forum in which not only could such ideas be debated but certain liberal doctrines could be ridiculed. Conservative blacks frequently call the show and are treated with respect and admiration by Mr. Limbaugh. The callers tell him they oppose the politics of the liberal black establishment. Rarely are such voices heard in the mainstream media, whose guest bookers always seem to call the same people, such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I have listened to Rush Limbaugh for 10 years. He doesn't tell me what to think. He simply expresses what I and millions of Americans already believe. Mr. Limbaugh reflects views conservatives held before he came along. He has won their allegiance because he respects their ideas, unlike the mainstream media. And he is funny. He is also shy and, yes, humble. Anyone who regularly listens to the show knows of his gratitude for the success he has enjoyed. He worked hard to gain it. If he erred in judgment about prescription pain pills, that does not dilute (as so many liberals wish it would) the power of his arguments.

Just as soon as he is legally able, Mr. Limbaugh should come clean about whether he has a drug problem. If he does, he should admit it and seek help. That's often difficult for one at the top of his profession. But confession, healing and restoration are more satisfying than silence and a high-priced lawyer.


Cal Thomas' syndicated column appears Wednesdays in The Sun. He can be reached via e-mail at www.calthomas.com.



24 posted on 10/08/2003 1:40:02 PM PDT by hattend (Stamp out unnecessary excepting)
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Rush Limbaugh

"He doesn't tell me what to think.

He simply expresses what I and millions of Americans already believe.

"Mr. Limbaugh reflects views conservatives held before he came along."

"If he erred in judgment about prescription pain pills, that does not dilute (as so many liberals wish it would) the power of his arguments."

"Just as soon as he is legally able, Mr. Limbaugh should come clean about whether he has a drug problem. If he does, he should admit it and seek help."

28 posted on 10/08/2003 2:13:12 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Speaking of true conservatism- How do you excuse “W's" lack of conservatism on so many issues?)
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To: jmstein7
Instead of sacking Mr. Limbaugh (he "resigned"), ESPN should have brought in someone the following week to debate him. Not only would ratings have set a record (the network's stated intention for hiring Mr. Limbaugh), ESPN would be demonstrating the highest principles of pluralism, tolerance and ideological diversity.

This is an interesting idea, didn't think of it myself
29 posted on 10/08/2003 2:15:39 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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The National Enquirer published a story that cited a former worker in the Limbaugh household alleging that Mr. Limbaugh has abused prescription painkillers.

Hmm... disgruntled employee? This accusation is even smellier than before.

35 posted on 10/08/2003 4:31:33 PM PDT by exDemMom (Michael Jackson for Governor! <--Boo-hoo! He lost!)
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A very good article. I wrote to ESPN and told them they are a bunch of pansies for crumbling at the pressure from the political correctness crowd. I also told them they were idiots for letting Rush "get away" from them. A good debate about McNabb's abilities would have been fun to watch.
38 posted on 10/08/2003 5:08:28 PM PDT by teeples (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: jmstein7
Good article.
44 posted on 10/08/2003 8:00:23 PM PDT by freekitty
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Just as soon as he is legally able, Mr. Limbaugh should come clean about whether he has a drug problem. If he does, he should admit it and seek help.

What if he had and did. These charges are from last year.

52 posted on 10/09/2003 11:56:27 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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