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CA: Coastal Commission opposes Bush admin. plan for more security fences and surveillance roads
AP ^ | 10/7/03

Posted on 10/07/2003 3:31:27 PM PDT by Jean S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Staff advisers to the state Coastal Commission oppose a Bush administration plan to build additional security fences and surveillance roads along the southwesternmost corner of California because they would harm the environmentally sensitive area.

Under federal legislation adopted in 1996, the government is erecting triple fencing along a 14-mile stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border, between the Otay Port of Entry and the Pacific Ocean.


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: environment; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 10/07/2003 3:31:28 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS
Good Lord,will this ever end? We have to close our borders soon or we'll be overrun. Is the saving of a few shrubs worth it?
2 posted on 10/07/2003 3:35:32 PM PDT by Mears
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3 posted on 10/07/2003 3:36:48 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: JeanS


yeah yeah .. whatever

4 posted on 10/07/2003 3:41:43 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: JeanS
"Their decision, however, can be overturned by the president."

Ball's in your court Mr. President. We're waiting.

5 posted on 10/07/2003 3:45:08 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: JeanS
But a report by the coastal agency's staff says fence construction along the westernmost five miles would destroy rare coastal sage scrub habitat and increase erosion that could cause silt to smother the Tijuana River National Estuary and reduce tidal flushing.

But thousands of illegals trampling over this same sage scrub won't harm it??? Stupid f$#@*$g idiots!!!!! Secure our borders and secure them NOW!!!!!

6 posted on 10/07/2003 3:46:38 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
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To: KantianBurke
We already know the position of this Administration on fenses: Powell repeatedly called a similar measure by Iraelis "unhelpful" and destabilizing.
7 posted on 10/07/2003 3:46:45 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: JeanS
Let's see sage or security? How hard is it to make THAT call?
8 posted on 10/07/2003 3:52:51 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: gubamyster
ping
9 posted on 10/07/2003 3:59:34 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: JeanS
coastal sage shrub vs. stopping illegal aliens?
Get out the Round UP.
10 posted on 10/07/2003 4:05:44 PM PDT by MontanaBeth (American Made)
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To: JeanS
Put some land mines in there.
11 posted on 10/07/2003 4:06:37 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: JeanS
Ask Dr. Bill Watenburg, KGO Radio San Francisco, about these jerks!He's on the internet, and radio Sat. and Sun. nite 10pm-1am.west coast time.He knows what a bunch of Eco-whako frauds, these clowns are!!!!
12 posted on 10/07/2003 4:21:40 PM PDT by blaze
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To: JeanS
"Feasible alternatives are available that would significantly lessen adverse impacts to coastal zone resources and still enable the Immigration and Naturalization Service to meet its Border Patrol needs," the report said.

I agree.


13 posted on 10/07/2003 5:02:42 PM PDT by archy (Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: JeanS
Most of that area is like the sewer pit of Tijuana. Nothing there to preserve!!!!
14 posted on 10/07/2003 5:05:10 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: KantianBurke
The RNC called me asking for money and I told them nothing until W does something about illegal immigration. She said she'd been hearing a lot of that. Hopefully he's got the message.
15 posted on 10/07/2003 5:08:13 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: JeanS
destroy "rare coastal sage scrub habitat"!!

Come on, people!! How about the continuing destruction of our rare democratic republic?!?
16 posted on 10/07/2003 5:26:11 PM PDT by Maria S (“I know a little bit about how White Houses work.” Hillary Clinton, 8/26/03)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
17 posted on 10/07/2003 5:53:21 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: the Real fifi
http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/BFS/main/tje/HTML/XELA.htm Scientific name: Xenopus laevis Common name: African Clawed Frog INTRODUCED: Native to southern Africa. (wtf?) Distribution within study area: Recorded from Tijuana River drainage. Size: 2-5.75 in (5-12.5 cm) Distinguishing characters: A highly aquatic species; smooth skin; forefeet unwebbed, hindfeet fully webbed with sharp black claws on inner toes; small head with blunt snout; eyes small, lidless and turned upward; olive to brown on dorsum with darker spots, blotches or mottling; whitish on venter; head and body flattened. Juveniles: Similar to adults. Dimorphism: Female is larger and has cloacal claspers. Similar Species: Should not be confused with other frog species. The only totally aquatic frog in California. Additional notes: Introduced to the U.S. in the 1960's(???) and feeds on native amphibian tadpoles. Will move overland at night during rains, and may show up in very unlikely places including golf course ponds, streams, ditches and lakes. Very slippery, but harmless, when handled. These species thrive in disturbed and polluted habitats and are most closely associated with the Tijuana River.

The diorama shows examples of the plant and animal life found in the Tijuana Estuary. There are specimens of invertebrates, fish, birds, and plants. The invertebrates and fish in the diorama are listed on attached sheets. The plants include, cordgrass, pickleweed, sea lavender, dodder, lemonadeberry, and jojoba. The bird specimens include: a great egret, great blue heron, american avocet, light-footed clapper rail, red knot, wiuet, marbled godwit, black skimmer, common yellowthroat, short-billed dowitcher, northern harrier, and black-necked stilt. All birds in our exhibit were found either dead or dying and mounted for display, we are fortunate to have them for visitors to see.

Anyone seeing a trend here?

http://www.ib-chamber.biz/Esturary.htm "Thousands of years ago, terns had the run of the coast," said Brian Collins, a biologist with the U. S. Fish & Wildlife Service. "They could lose hundreds of eggs and their species would go on. Now we have to protect the wildlife. They can't withstand predators, let alone human disturbance." The nesting season runs through August and chicks are just (now) beginning to hatch. "The least tern's pebble-sized eggs are so well camouflaged by their sandy color that they are difficult to avoid stepping on, even when if you know what you're looking for," Collins said. Signs and wire fences within the refuge warn visitors away from nesting sites. "It's a closed area, but we don't have people here to enforce the rules," he said. "That's why we need volunteers: not to enforce, but to educate."

And the eco-wacks DON'T want this area to be fenced off? Because a fence will "cause erosion?"

http://www.coastalconservancy.ca.gov/coast&ocean/suchive/TIJUANA.HTM

What's So Important about This Estuary?

The estuary has a sullied reputation, based on a very real, very troubled history. Now, though, much of the pollution that once overwhelmed parts of the estuary is controlled, and the sad games of the Border Patrol and the illegal immigrants are played out mostly to the east, in the Otay wilderness and other inland areas. Except for the almost constant presence of thumping helicopters, the estuary is a very quiet and truly serene place (The helicopters are not associated with the border, but part of the age-old U.S. Navy helicopter training facility just next door, at the Imperial Beach Landing Field).

Well, let's see. We seem to have a highly polluted u.S. / mexico sewer that contains dead and dying birds and some South American frogs not native to the area that thrive on polluted environments that were not around before 1966.

TLI

18 posted on 10/07/2003 10:09:14 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: JeanS
CA Coastal Commission....Aiding....Abetting Our Enemies!!!!
19 posted on 10/07/2003 10:10:16 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: JeanS
Now this is news, now where did this heretofore unpublizied commission pop up with power that overrides the Fed? Where did it come from, who instigated it, and how long has it been around?

I suggested a citizens commission with the ability to impeach federal judges and politicians and the majority opinion was that such a commission could not exist. At least the members of the commission I suggested would be elected.

Who are these unelected commission members that wield so much power over the people and the government that smells of a U.N. agenda?
20 posted on 10/07/2003 10:16:52 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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