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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Exactly right- when tent-camping up here, I sleep with a 12-gauge Remington 870 loaded with alternating slugs and 00 buckshot. (I mean literally sleep with it- it's not leaning against a tree outside, or in a gun rack in a vehicle. It's right next to me. So far, I haven't shot my foot off during the night- but I had a lot of experience sleeping with loaded weapons in the Army. I am not suggesting that everyone do this, but I am saying that if a bear decides to drag you off and eat you, he is not likely to allow you to go and get your weapon first...)

Two other tricks I learned while living in Alaska and working as a bush pilot: keep one round of birdshot [my pick is the second one, following a slug] to use to go for the beast's eyes if surprised closeup. But expect one VERY annoyed bear.

The other is during the hours of darkness, use a 12-gauge magnesium *Dragon's breath* ground signal flare/incendiary round as the first shot at night. Whether the beast is blinded or set ablaze, the result will be a bear no longer interested in you as a source of either protein or amusement. I once had to discourage a ranger who was going to fire one vertically as an aircraft signal, thinking the round was a conventional aerial flare round, which they're certainly not. See pic below.

The only bear I've killed was a brownie, at a distance of about 35 feet, coming my way. I hit him one time with a softpoint from a .303 British Enfield, and had the bolt thrown and a second round ready for him in less time than it took for the ejected fired case to hit the ground. But the bear dropped like a puppet whose strings had been cut, for which I was most grateful, and no second shot [nor third, fifth or tenth, which I was prepared to deliver] was needed.

The shotgun is the prefered weapon for general purpose work or when hunting isn't really the point of the exercise, however. A lot of the *old guy* pilots preferred a double barrel, and that answer had worked for some of them a LONG time. And doubles don't freeze up from sleet.


124 posted on 10/07/2003 12:49:32 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
"use a 12-gauge magnesium *Dragon's breath* ground signal flare/incendiary round as the first shot at night."

Interesting idea- the only drawback I can see is that I would also be blinded by this bright a light (I have used LOTS of magnesium flares and mortar illumination rounds, etc at night, and if you are close to these, even closing your eyes and/or turning your head away will not prevent the loss of night vision).

However, I am not the sole possessor of all knowledge on this subject- does anyone else have experience with this round in discouraging predators?

As for my 870 pump freezing up from sleet, I try very hard to keep weapons clean and dry. I have NEVER had one freeze up on me, whether hunting in Maine in rotten weather, or on patrol in the mountains of Korea in January. (One of the things I learned soon after moving to Alaska was not to oil weapons when the temperature falls to minus 30 or lower. A small amount of graphite is OK, but it sure makes the action hard to clean after firing!) And yep, I have practically every "miracle lubricant" ever made sitting on my reloading bench.

133 posted on 10/07/2003 1:09:30 PM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE ("Si vis pacem, para bellum"- still good advice after 2000 years.)
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