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California Recall Live Thread

Posted on 10/07/2003 5:34:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth



Do it California. Post here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: adiosdavis; bewaredemvotefraud; ccrm; militaryvote; presstitutes
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To: ambrose
It's fraud, as I have been predicting for three days. They figured out a way to steal the election, and that is why they didn't appeal to the Supreme Court. The smear on Arnold is to cover up the vote fraud, whereupon people like Bill Press will tell us that the polls showed a nosedive after Thursday.

The only hope is for massive, massive turnout so that they can't steal enough votes.

881 posted on 10/07/2003 1:57:07 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: CatoRenasci

First, McClintock didn't take $3 million from the Indians, almost all of it was spent by them independently.

Second, Schwarznegger took in millions from developers, and has plans to sell some of California's landed assets. I'm actually in favor of some form of divestiture, but the possibility for the purchase of access is clear.

Third, Schwarznegger has made large loans to his campaign, and the fundraisers to pay them back won't happen until after the election.

So, to my eye, some of the umbrage over campaign finances has been a bit selective.

I'm pretty lassez faire on campaign finance: I like immediate public disclosure of donors, unlimited contributions, unlimited spending, no public financing, no foreign money, and no loans.


882 posted on 10/07/2003 1:58:18 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: ambrose
A horrific dive? The update they posted last night had the recall winning 57-43. Survey USA. That was a four point decline from 5 days before. Four points is within the range of statistical noise, not indicative of a horrific dive.
883 posted on 10/07/2003 1:58:34 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: ambrose
Are you seeing a later SURVEYUSA poll than the one dated 10/6 on their website?
884 posted on 10/07/2003 1:58:51 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: Miss Marple
Which is exactly what's happening. So what is all the gloom and doom on here. Heaven help us, we're starting to sound like the freakazoids over at DU!
885 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: All
neat little Election Results viewer. I've got it up and scolling in the background to see when things start getting interesting.

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/
886 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:17 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: veronica
I will not. I am entitled to my opinion. :)

Neener Neener.

Late kindergarten get out early today?

Grow up.

887 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:28 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: concerned about politics
Interesting... no Bustaburgers...
888 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:30 PM PDT by pgyanke (God doesn't compromise... and He didn't call us to either!)
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To: DodgeRam
thats their exit polling?

Yeh. LOL. They said they'd do even more! Goody! (not)

889 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:30 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: redlipstick
There is no later SurveyUSA poll than that one.
890 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:30 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Miss Marple
"The only hope is for massive, massive turnout so that they can't steal enough votes."

That appears to be the case, as high as 70% they're saying. As one freeper said: people don't stand in line to vote to maintain the status quo. Time will tell...

891 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:52 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: Sabertooth
Dittos that, Tooth. Davis is Job-1.
892 posted on 10/07/2003 1:59:56 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: William McKinley
And don't forget the futures markets. A lot of people stand to lose money if this thing goes south.
893 posted on 10/07/2003 2:00:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Speaking of those little nazis, I wonder what they are saying right now.


894 posted on 10/07/2003 2:01:06 PM PDT by myself6 (Unionize IT?! "I will stop the motor of the world" - John Galt)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Sorry, but McClintock should have dropped out.
895 posted on 10/07/2003 2:01:43 PM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: redlipstick; William McKinley
Did you read SurveyUSA's REPORT? You have to follow TRENDS. This smear was late breaking. Do the recall margins freefall into election day or did the drop finally stop on Monday? The drop may well have stopped on Monday and the recall wins. But it isn't in the bag by any means.

"Erosion in Arnold Support, But Not at Tipping Point"

"Margin for recall dropped 25 points to 14 points between 10/3, 10/4 and 10/5"

http://www.surveyusacom/2003_Elections/CA031006RecallReplace.pdf
896 posted on 10/07/2003 2:01:43 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: goldstategop
Bill Press isn't just a liberal - he's the former Chairman of the California Rat Party... so he may know what he is talking about.
897 posted on 10/07/2003 2:02:37 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: honeygrl
Cool! Thanks.

Now if only some results will start coming in.
898 posted on 10/07/2003 2:03:00 PM PDT by hattend
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To: goldstategop
Prop 53 calls for 1% to be set aside on the infrastructure ... isn't the end of the world, but it's a start.
899 posted on 10/07/2003 2:03:03 PM PDT by tx_eggman
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To: kkindt
I had this discussion recently with a friend who made an argument similar to yours, saying that petition signatures are not equivalent to votes. My POV is that the recall mechanism itself was voted on by the public in 1911 -- is that vote somehow less important than votes for an elected official? All politicians have known the recall mechanism is present for the better part of the last 100 years. The sheer difficulty of getting a recall on the ballot (this is the first time it's happened for governor, after many tries, including Ronald Reagan in 1968) offers an element of protection. My view is the threat of recall should always be hanging over politicians' heads. It is a means of protection for the people, but I see it as no threat to democracy. The next governor is, after all, democratically elected.

This all calls to mind the quote by Thomas Jefferson:
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." (To Abigail Adams, 1787.)


900 posted on 10/07/2003 2:03:32 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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