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To: WackyKat
Unfortunately, scientific facts have no influence on some here, who have an obsessive need to find "sinners" they can berate in order to make themselves feel more "holy."

Amen, er, ditto. I also believe people are born gay, although I believe it is abnormal. Let's just call it a defect. There might be some cases where environment is a factor, but most of them are born that way imo.

237 posted on 10/07/2003 11:51:26 PM PDT by dougherty (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: dougherty; WackyKat
Unfortunately, scientific facts have no influence on some here...

Amen, er, ditto. I also believe people are born gay...

You folks really need to check out the links in post 78, which state the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. From here:

It is important to note that serious research on the biology, innateness, or genetic determinants of homosexuality has only just recently begun. Exactly opposite to what the public is being led to believe, the research that has been done thus far suggests that genetic factors account for, at most, but a small proportion of the risk. J. M. Bailey and R. C. Pillard, two of the major researchers most widely cited as having demonstrated that "homosexuality is genetic," were forced to admit otherwise by the results of their own research. They themselves wrote:
These studies were designed to detect heritable variation, and if it was present, to counter the prevalent belief that sexual orientation is largely the product of family interactions and the social environment.... Although male and female homosexuality appear to be at least somewhat heritable, environment must also be of considerable importance in their origins.{1}
Footnotes

{1} J. M. Bailey et al., "Heritable Factors Influence Sexual Orientations in Women," Archives of General Psychiatry 50, no. 3, pp. 217-23. Note the title. Even though the authors admit that any possible heritable factors contribute only 25 percent to a homosexual predisposition, the article is titled as though trumpeting a headline discovery. It was picked up that way by sympathetic media outlets.

Then from here
The boy (for example) who one day may go on to struggle with homosexuality is born with certain features that are somewhat more common among homosexuals than in the population at large. Some of these traits might be inherited (genetic), while others might have been caused by the "intrauterine environment" (hormones). What this means is that a youngster without these traits will be somewhat less likely to become homosexual later than someone with them.

What are these traits? If we could identify them precisely, many of them would turn out to be gifts rather than "problems," for example a "sensitive" disposition, a strong creative drive, a keen aesthetic sense. Some of these, such as greater sensitivity, could be related to - or even the same as - physiological traits that also cause trouble, such as a greater-than-average anxiety response to any given stimulus.

No one knows with certainty just what these heritable characteristics are; at present we only have hints. Were we free to study homosexuality properly (uninfluenced by political agendas) we would certainly soon clarify these factors - just as we are doing in less contentious areas. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the behavior "homosexuality" is itself directly inherited.

If you were to read the other links it would appear obvious that current research states nobody is born gay, and that the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment.
238 posted on 10/08/2003 5:16:51 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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