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Gee, do you plan to test me after I do all that? You see, there's your and Keyes' problem right there. You talk it to death, and then insinuate that the person you're "discussing" something with needs to be "educated" because they aren't capable of understanding the English language -- or what Keyes means.

And no, Keyes wasn't "using" Bush back then, which makes my point. Nobody knew who he was back then. He was just another government worker. He may have been active in politics, like most of always have been, but lately, the only time he makes the news is when he criticizes Bush.

One of your problems is that you assume this is a debating society, with people scoring points. It's not; it's politics; rough and tumble, you know? You simply cannot LOGICALLY win.

As for your opinion of me and the "requirements" you set forth for my edification, you may think I'm obtuse; you may well think I'm a "lightweight;" you may think I'm not a "real conservative;" but, as I have said numerous times before, I'm happy in the company I'm in -- and I'm happy that most of us share the same opinions, goals, and reasonableness and acceptance of things that go on in the real world and willingness to work to better this country; I'm especially happy about how the majority of folks around here feel about Bush and Keyes. We're working FOR something, not against everything.

Your ideas are just that -- ideas -- and you've never been required to put them into action, since Keyes has never had an elected office. I can see how, sitting on the sidelines, it might be easier to just pontificate on "how it should be done." Those who actually get elected by a majority of people and take office have to live in the real world.

I'll quote again what somebody said about Keyes people:

"And, obediently, his army follows, tearing down instead of building up, dividing instead of joining forces, evidently delighting in being purer-than-thou rather than in actually moving the ball forward and doing something to roll back the culture of death."

Since by now it should be quite obvious to you that I do not like Alan Keyes, nor his tactics, and since it's obvious from your last post to me that you consider me incapable of carrying on an "intelligent" debate -- and since, regardless of what anyone may think, Alan Keyes is irrelevant -- let's just agree NOT to discuss this anymore.

BTW, I'm not so dumb that I don't realize that you weren't able to quote one time when either George W. Bush or the RNC has spoken ill of Alan Keyes. Too bad the same can't be said of Alan Keyes.

Let's just give it a rest; you can comfort yourself knowing you've enlightened me, however "unsubstantive" I may be.

Well Howlin, I was hoping you and I could have a nice, amiable discussion. I didn't mean to offend you, but was trying to offer some friendly constructive criticism, because we weren't getting anywhere productive. I'm not sure what to make of it that you take offense to that, but I don't have to understand it; I just need to accept it.

I didn't answer your question, incidently, because it was beside the point. I have plenty of criticisms of President Bush that have nothing to do with Keyes or anything I have heard him say, so I'm not sure what you are getting at. Why does it matter? You are, again, changing the subject, which draws the discussion, again, to my previous post.

Also, when you say, "the only time he makes the news is when he criticizes Bush," and call Keyes "irrelavent," this is demonstrably not true. In fact, this article does not deal with Bush, yet Keyes has been the subject for --what-- nearly 800 posts? Some people, though they claim otherwise, still find him relevant. There is a disparity between what some say and what they do.

you consider me incapable of carrying on an "intelligent" debate

Not true. I believe you are capable. Otherwise I wouldn't even bother to engage. But have it as you want it. Whether or not we can agree on Keyes' relevance, we CAN agree that, to you and a nearly unanimous majority of FReepers here, I am irrelevant. You need not humor me, and I need not humor you. I wish you the best of blessings, and with the way things are going in this country, I likewise hope you are right. Unfortunately, though, hoping doesn't make it so.