Arnold's corruption of Republican Party

World Net Daily ^ | 10/6/2003 | ALAN KEYES

[joesnuffy]

Arnold and his kind
are against you
being able to defend your own life
and the lives of your family members
by the only means avaiable when pitted
against todays armed criminals...

He also belives that if you defy him on this issue he has the right to
use force against you and your family to make you comply with his unjust law

Arnold does not believe in the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights

While believing that he is and his kind are enlightend and privildged religoius conservatives who oppose him are refered to as "right wing crazies"

Your life and safety and the lives and safety of your children
are irrelvant to Arnold and his kind

And some of his kind dare call themselves Republicans
During our Revolution and in 1776 they were called Tories

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I'm still on Alan's email list, even though I stopped sending the grifter money a couple of years ago. He sent yet another one out last night.

[sinkspur]

Why can't Mr. Swarzenegger just say that his actions in the past were wrong, that he was immature or didn't know better, but now that he's grown up and learned about or suffered the consequences of his actions, he is sorry and will help to educate other young men about what he's learned, the pain he's caused, and the better way?

He's said that, over and over and over.

You don't like what he said because he didn't say it the way you wanted him to.

Everybody else got the message, and the apology.

[B Knotts]

But it would be nice if this thread focused on the article, not on the integrity of Dr. Keyes.

True, but the article is correct, and they know it, so it is difficult to argue against. It's much easier to make ad hominem attacks on Alan Keyes.

[EternalVigilance]

Never trust a preacher who doesn't often concede his own sinful nature as he preaches about yours.

I learned long ago never to concede weakness with you. You and your friends simply see that as an opening to further shred those you obviously despise.

With friends, I will be as honest as possible about my own human shortcomings. With you? Never. I learned that lesson quite some time ago.

[Afronaut]

"Don't forget that Alan Keyes questioned whether George W. Bush could have prevented 9-11!!!!"

"Keyes questioned Bush's involvement in 9-11."

Which is it? Prevented or was was he involved? Big difference.

I posted that because you once labeled the Nazi connection between the Kennedys and Arnold as "THAT'S entertainment" Do you still feel that way? Just asking.

[Alberta's Child]

I find it ironically amusing that Arnold's supporters find it necessary to sully the name of Ronald Reagan to try and make Arnold look better.

1. I am not a supporter of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Since I do not live in California, and he is not running for a legislative office in the Federal government, I don't have much of a stake in the outcome of this race. I am certainly in favor of Davis' removal from office, on the grounds that "a llittle revolution every now and then is a good thing." If Ronald McDonald were the only candidate opposing Davis, I'd be a Ronald McDonald supporter.

2. If pointing out Ronald Reagan's record while he was governor of California amounts to "sullying his reputation," then you find yourself in a bizarre position where feel-good fairy tales are more important than facts. I don't think I can do anything to help you, if that's the case.

[EternalVigilance]

You made a clearly morally relativistic comment, and I pointed it out. If you don't want them pointed out, don't make them.

[eskimo]

Based on that quote, I would not say that Keyes was calling PResident Bush "evil". If you applied that standard fairly, any FReeper who encouraged a vote for Bush because he is the "lesser of the two evils" would be calling Bush "evil" by that context.

Perhaps the fact of the matter is simply that the "immoral greed" driving conservative mutants causes as distorted a view of reality as the "immoral lust" that motivates the rabid liberals.

[Howlin]

As someone once said on FR:

"And, obediently, his army follows, tearing down instead of building up, dividing instead of joining forces, evidently delighting in being purer-than-thou rather than in actually moving the ball forward and doing something to roll back the culture of death."

[hedgetrimmer]

Here's the platform:

Preamble 

The American Dream: Prosperity With a Purpose
Old Truths For The New Economy
The Republican Congress
Taxes And Budget: Render to Caesar, But Let The People Keep Their Own Homeownership
Small Business: Where Prosperity Starts
Work Place of the Future 
Trade: The Force Of Economic Freedom
Technology And The New Economy: The Force For Change 
Privacy and Secure Technologies  

Education and Opportunity: Leave No American Behind 
A Responsibility Era
Real Education Reform: Strengthening Accountability and Empowering Parents
Higher Education: Increased Access For All
A New Prosperity: Seats for All at the Welcome Table
Children At Risk

Renewing Family and Community 
Family Matters
Upholding the Rights of All
From Many, One
Justice And Safety
What Is At Stake

Retirement Security and Quality Health Care: 
Our Pledge to America 
Saving Social Security: Helping Individuals Build Wealth
Security for Older Americans
Preserving and Improving Medicare
Quality Health Care: A Commitment to All Americans
Affordable, Quality Health Insurance
Improving the Quality of Health Care

American Partners in Conservation and Preservation: Stewardship of Our Natural Resources
Protecting Property Rights
Public Lands for the Public Good
American Agriculture and Rural America in the Global Economy
Emergency assistance to facilitate the transition to a market-driven regime.
Energy
A Nation On The Move

Government for the People
Political Reform
Common Sense In Regulation
Judicial Reform: Courts That Work, Laws That Make Sense
Native Americans
The Nation’s Capital 
Americans In The Territories

Principled American Leadership
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Across the Pacific
Europe
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Africa
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The United Nations
Terrorism, International Crime, and Cyber Threats
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[EternalVigilance]

I am certainly in favor of Davis' removal from office

Well, there is one point of agreement.

[sinkspur]

I learned long ago never to concede weakness with you. You and your friends simply see that as an opening to further shred those you obviously despise.

You're the biggest baby on this forum.

I can't imagine you whining any more than you already do!

[Sir Gawain]

It's just stuff he said.

If he said it, and it's in his own words, then there wouldn't be a debate over it, would there? A lot of paraphrasing going on here. If you say "X called Y evil", you'd better have that quote ready that says "In a speech yesterday, X said, 'Y is evil'."

I have yet to see that quote.

[Rabid Dog]

I left the thread because of the attacks on Dr. Keyes. I guess offense is the best defense for A.S. supporters. And the fact of the matter is his article was more of an indictment against the Republican Party than Arnold.

[Howlin]

What does he want money for now?

[SONbrad]

You are wasting your time dealling with this guy. He just can not let it go. He will never admit that the Republican party is not only conservatives. There are many types of conservatives and I can't help thinking that the democRATS would love reading the arguements that this guy is propogating here. Heck, he is doing almost as much to destroy the Republican party as the democRATS do. We must hang together, regardless of our differences, or we will cease to be a major player in American politics. Unfortunately there are some on this site (and this guy is one of them) that insist that their way is the only way. I don't care what his principles or beliefs are. What I care about is him belittling other's views and beliefs who are also Republicans.

Take care!

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Did he ask for money?

[B Knotts]

Exactly. Just as we are poised to actually win on the issues, some people want to surrender to the liberals. I don't get it. I really don't get it. Well, actually I do. These are the same old Rockefeller Republicans behind this. They are trying to take back the party from conservatives.

[Howlin]

He did both at the same time, by implying that Bush had information that he could have used to prevent 9-11.