Arnold's corruption of Republican Party

World Net Daily ^ | 10/6/2003 | ALAN KEYES

[Alberta's Child]

Reagan also signed what was at the time the most stringent gun control law in any state in the U.S.

[carton253]

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China.

[EternalVigilance]

I'm not voting, as I don't live in CA.

Don't tell me, like dozens have, that my opinion doesn't matter. We're on a national website, discussing an issue of national concern on many critical levels.

[Howlin]

I'm sure you wouldn't. MOST people did.

[EternalVigilance]

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China.

What's that got to do with Arnold's liberalism?

[muleskinner]

Arnold is the only man to have ever groped/leered/spoke poorly to a female on a movie set, in Gold's Gym or at Muscle Beach.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I'm not sure I was aware of that, so thanks. Maybe he really called President Bush a cute little weevil. : )

[Howlin]

What does that mean? I just said that MOST of the people I know who were there thought Keyes' remarks were completely out of line.

And they were NOT BushBots.

I hope you don't think calling me a BushBot hurts my feelings; it doesn't.

[Miss Marple]

Parsing that comment of Keyes is not becoming of anyone who laughed at the "meaning of is" comment from Clinton.

The description is of evil that sneaks up and is cloaked. Followed by the discussion of the stem cell decision, it is quite obvious who Keyes was referring to.

I expected Keyes would release a statement or write a column like this. I disagree with him. For some time the policy of the Republican party has been inclusionary, not exclusionary. For those who don't like that policy it is a very difficult pill to swallow.

The nature of the debate comes down to carton253's point about being a conservative and being a Republican. At one time there were conservatives in BOTH political parties, just as there were liberals. The McGovern election and the subsequent leftward tilt drove almost all conservative democrats into the Republican party, with a few notable exceptions like Zell Miller.

Mr. Keyes wants the party to be 100% conservative, both fiscally and morally. Should that happen, it will become a marginalized party and will lose national power. The democrats are on their way to that very end with their extreme leftward tilt. I do not think it is a practical course to take.

The country is not strongly conservative. People are more conservative on a few issues, but to assume that everyone will follow a very conservative candidate is not realistic; and in California, it is simply irrational.

[Itzlzha]

Everybody but da preacher is evil to da preacher-man! Keyes called Bush "evil" too, so Arnold is in good company.

Ah, the "situational ethicist" Deacon again rails against a moral man.....

Just because he's not pro-sodomy like you doesn't allow you to belittle a decent man!

[blackie]

We Pruden has it about right:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/pruden.htm

[carton253]

What's that got to do with Arnold's liberalism?

Nothing... absolutely nothing...

But, oh yeah! Not the point I'm making...

[B Knotts]

Dr. Keyes, as usual, is exactly correct.

Therefore, he will be pilloried by our fellow "conservatives."

[sinkspur]

Just because he's not pro-sodomy like you doesn't allow you to belittle a decent man!

I'm not pro-sodomy.

And I'm not too fond of liars, either.

[EternalVigilance]

But one is not more pure or better than the other.

Scrape an Arnold supporter, and most generally you find a moral relativist under the conservative veneer.

[hocndoc]

Ambassador Keyes did not say that Arnold is evil. Just that when it is time to "choose" on the right to life or the right to bear arms, Mr. Schwarzenegger chooses the side that kills, or creates and kills, while infringing on the Second Amendment.

I'm not from California, I think I would like Mr. Schwarzegger in person, he's a fiscal conservative, and I really want a Republican Governor in California, because it will help President Bush and the Republicans in Congress.

However, I'm bothered by Arnold's poor-choice when it comes to abortion and his apology/explanations. He doesn't say that he did wrong. He says that none of the women told him he crossed the line, he had a certain agenda when he told reporters about orgies and steroid or drug use, or that he didn't know that he would be running for Governor some day.


Why can't Mr. Swarzenegger just say that his actions in the past were wrong, that he was immature or didn't know better, but now that he's grown up and learned about or suffered the consequences of his actions, he is sorry and will help to educate other young men about what he's learned, the pain he's caused, and the better way?

Also, do you believe that he's educable as to the difference between right and wrong, or is he going to go with the political winds?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Oh, I'm sure. Keyes could axe murder somebody and his Keysters would stand up and applaud, muttering all the while "how profound, it's a shame the rest of the world doesn't understand just how profound Dr. Keyes really is"!

I knew it was just a matter of time before Keyes had to inject himself into this. He's a broken record and his pompous condescension lost it's impact long ago.

Interestingly enough, Keyes does to his worshipers what they claim Arnold has done to the Republicans who support him for governor. They (Keyesters) wear permanently affixed blinders, while convincing themselves that they see more clearly than all the rest. What a joke !!!

When a speaker spends the majority of his time speaking ill of others, while continuously polishing his sterling crown of purity, one wonders what the self righteous individual really is all about.

Never trust a preacher who doesn't often concede his own sinful nature as he preaches about yours.

[carton253]

You are just full of the quippy little comebacks, aren't you. Why don't you try answering my point instead of insulting the Arnold supporter. In the end, it makes you look small... very, very small.

[EternalVigilance]

Mr. Keyes wants the party to be 100% conservative...

And Arnold Schwarzenegger wants the party to be liberal.

So, there ya go.

[muleskinner]

The country is not strongly conservative. People are more conservative on a few issues, but to assume that everyone will follow a very conservative candidate is not realistic; and in California, it is simply irrational.

BTT - Thank you, Miss Marple, for being one of FR's more rational thinkers.