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Slaying theories involve devil, Nazis, art
The Mercury News ^ | Oct 6, 2003 | Julia Prodis Sulek

Posted on 10/06/2003 5:46:03 AM PDT by runningbear

Slaying theories involve devil, Nazis, art

Posted on Mon, Oct. 06, 2003

Slaying theories involve devil, Nazis, art

HEARING OCT. 20 IN CASE OF MODESTO HOMEMAKER

By Julia Prodis Sulek
Mercury News

MODESTO - Nazi Low Riders named Dirty and Skeeter, an old Satanic cult called the Order of Lion, and bizarre paintings of decapitated women and floating fetuses. These are the latest surreal elements in the Laci Peterson murder case.

Who could have guessed that the death of this pregnant homemaker who watched ``Martha Stewart Living'' each morning and had a wine-of-the-month club membership would be intertwined with such seamy images?

But no theory, it seems, is too far-fetched for a case that feeds tabloid headlines and talk show debates. Two especially macabre scenarios have arisen as the Oct. 20 preliminary hearing approaches.

One centers on a jailhouse informant who passed a lie-detector test after claiming two gang thugs were hired to kill Peterson's wife. The other resurrects a decade-old quadruple homicide outside Modesto by devil worshipers who believed the purest sacrifice is the killing of a newborn baby.

One scenario could send Peterson to the death chamber. The other could set him free. Could either be true? Or has a thirst for the sensational spawned titillating tales when the reality may be something far simpler: a cheating husband killing his wife to be with his mistress?

The prosecution is expected to push that more simple theory when it lays out its case for the first time at Peterson's preliminary hearing in Modesto. But until then the focus has shifted to bald, tattooed gangsters and robe-clad Satanists.

The Nazi Low Riders

It was only two weeks ago that Cory Carroll, a Fresno jail inmate, issued a startling statement: Scott Peterson used him to set up a murder-for-hire.

According to Carroll's lawyer, Frank Muna, it started in early November last year at a Fresno strip club called City Lights. After seeing Carroll's prison identification card when he paid for a drink, Peterson struck up a conversation. They spent the next several hours together watching the dancers, shooting pool and bar hopping.

``Scott mentioned he would like to buy his wife a new car for Christmas,'' but if he sold the old one he didn't think he would get much money for it, said Muna, who grew up in East San Jose. ``He asked my client if he knew anyone willing to steal the car so he could claim it on his insurance.''

Peterson offered him $300 to make an introduction, Muna said. A couple of weeks later, on Nov. 29, Carroll brought Peterson together with Dirty and Skeeter, members of the Nazi Low Riders, a notorious prison gang known for murder, extortion and drug running.

The foursome gathered at Best Budget motel, where Carroll lived and worked as a maintenance man, Muna said. There, Peterson made a far more sinister proposal.

``He solicited the two guys, Dirty and Skeeter, to get rid of his wife -- first to kidnap his wife, then to get rid of her,'' Muna said. ``My client didn't want any part of that so he left. He ran into Dirty and Skeeter a half-hour later, and they told my client they were going to take care of what Scott wanted.''

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Frequent phone companions

Frequent phone companions

By GARTH STAPLEY and JOHN COTÉ

BEE STAFF WRITERS

Published: October 4, 2003, 07:27:19 AM PDT

Scott Peterson and his lover exchanged at least 37 telephone calls in the four weeks after she revealed their relationship at a Jan. 24 televised news conference, according to partial phone records. Authorities secretly taped their conversations for 3 1/2 weeks. Amber Frey's calls to the married man would continue for 15 days after the wiretaps stopped on Feb. 4, according to the records.

Whether Frey knew about the wiretaps -- or knew when they ended -- is not clear.

But the records suggest that Frey, who first contacted Modesto police on Dec. 30, cooperated with authorities. She appears to have regularly called Modesto police Detective Jon Buehler upon hanging up with Peterson, even after authorities stopped bugging his phones.

Peterson, 30, is charged with killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn son. Prosecutors believe Peterson pretended to know nothing about their deaths as thousands searched for the pregnant woman after she was reported missing Dec. 24. The bodies of mother and son were found in mid-April.

Though he had steadfastly denied Bee reports of the affair, Peterson reversed course in a half-dozen media interviews starting four days after Frey's Jan. 24 news conference. He admitted lying about his relationship with the 28-year-old massage therapist from Fresno, and said he had discussed it with his wife in early December. Frey has said she didn't know Peterson was married when they met Nov. 20.

The phone records show Peterson and Frey exchanged at least 76 calls over nine turbulent weeks that started nine days before Laci Peterson's disappearance. The calls stretched through the holidays, emotional news conferences, her birthday and the due date for Peterson's son before apparently ending Feb. 19.

On Feb. 10, Frey dialed Peterson's numbers four times -- and didn't call Buehler at all. The night before, the former lovers spoke for 34 minutes. Feb. 10 held significant events for both:

It was Frey's 28th birthday.

It marked Laci Peterson's due date.

Friends and family of Laci Peterson prayed in East La Loma Park, which volunteers had searched many times. Peterson was at home that evening, a short walk from the park.

Nude photos of Frey taken four years earlier first hit some National Enquirer newsstands.

Frey has spoken privately about receiving seven calls from Peterson on Valentine's Day. Phone records show she called Peterson once that day as well, and again at 2:42 a.m. the following day. Frey didn't immediately report either call to Buehler.

The phone records show:

Frey called Buehler's office phone, cell phone and home phone 191 times in a three-month stretch ending March 14, totaling more than 19 hours of conversation. Many of the calls came immediately after Frey's conversations with Peterson.

Frey and Buehler averaged nearly 16 calls and 1 1/2 hours of phone time per week.

Frey didn't call Peterson on Jan. 24. That evening, she stunned observers by going public with their relationship. The next day, they exchanged at least three calls.

The two spoke at least once on Jan. 27, the day Peterson taped his mea culpa for ABC's "Good Morning America." After the show aired the first segment of a two-part interview with Diane Sawyer the next day, Frey called Peterson's cell phone for a call that lasted 23 minutes.

That night, she phoned him again -- and the call lasted 52 minutes.

Frey also phoned Sawyer's office on Feb. 22. An assistant to Sawyer said the show has been trying for months to book an interview with Frey, without success.

Though police reported no new developments Feb. 1, records show a flurry of calls that day between Frey and Peterson, and Frey and Buehler.

Frey called Peterson's number nine times on two of his cell phones and spoke for almost 90 minutes. She called Buehler 19 times the same day, with the calls lasting a total of 61 minutes.

She also placed two calls that morning to Melvin King, a former Fresno police lieutenant who operates a polygraph and private investigation service. King refused Friday to say why Frey called.

King popped onto the Peterson media scene two weeks ago in connection with another aspect of the case. At a lawyer's request, he gave a lie-detector test earlier in the month to a jail inmate who claims that before his arrest he heard Scott Peterson discussing a plot to kidnap Laci Peterson with two members of a vicious neo-Nazi gang.

King has said that Cory Lee Carroll passed the polygraph.

In the nine weeks reflected in the partial phone records, Frey and Peterson totaled more than 8 1/2 hours in phone conversations -- an average of nearly one hour per week of phone time.

Frey's fingers busy dialing

Frey, who has shunned interviews, had at least some contact with several media companies from mid-January through mid-March.

Records show that in addition to phoning ABC's Sawyer, she called CNN's Connie Chung, a Fox News affiliate in Santa Monica and Fortune magazine. She also placed five calls to People magazine.

Frey last called Peterson on Feb. 19 at 7:36 a.m., the second day of a two-day search by police of Peterson's home. Investigators carried out dozens of bags of items.

The day before, police drove Peterson's white Dodge pickup away and returned it several hours later. State Attorney General Bill Lockyer would later say that police used global positioning satellite devices in the case and were tracking Peterson's truck.

Prosecutors might have put out information in an attempt to induce Peterson into making damaging statements that the wiretaps would pick up, Assistant San Francisco District Attorney James Hammer has said.

A week after a judge approved wiretaps on two of Peterson's cell phones, The Bee reported Peterson was having an affair with an unknown woman. That day, Frey dialed Peterson's phones twice -- and called Bueh- ler seven times.

At some point in January, prosecutors also confronted Peterson with a rare pre-arrest plea offer: They would take a possible death penalty off the table if Peterson would lead investigators to the body.

"It's called tickling," Hammer said. "They are going to dangle the death penalty and see if he gets scared enough to say stupid things."

DA nipped wiretap

But information from the wiretaps appears to have been of limited value to prosecutors.

According to court documents, the district attorney's office had asked a judge to cut off the first wiretap early, saying "further progress in the investigation would not be gained through additional interception."

State law allows a wiretap to run for up to 30 days, but a judge can grant an extension.

Court documents show the first wiretap was approved on Jan. 10 and ran to Feb. 4, the day a car dealer gave Laci Peterson's Land Rover to her family. Scott Peterson had traded the vehicle in toward the purchase of the Dodge truck.

Also Feb. 4, Frey phoned Peterson at 9:20 p.m. and again at 10:02 p.m.; the second call lasted 15 minutes. She then phoned Bueh- ler and spoke for 23 minutes -- the last of four calls to the detective that day. At 11:19 p.m., she called Peterson back and spoke for two minutes........

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Fresno attorney promotes Peterson story

Fresno attorney promotes Peterson story

His client in county jail alleges a conspiracy to kidnap, kill Laci Peterson.

By John Coté and Garth Stapley
The Modesto Bee
(Published Sunday, October 5, 2003, 5:29 AM)

A Fresno attorney has been making the interview rounds with a story that his client has crucial information linking Scott Peterson to the murder of his wife and unborn son.

During the last two weeks Frank Muna has appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" and Fox News' "On the Record" with Greta Van Susteren and been interviewed by the press about his version of the Laci and Conner Peterson deaths -- that they were victims of one of several contract kidnap and killing scenarios.

Little information has surfaced to corroborate his accounts, and questions about his motivation have been raised.

Muna repeatedly has said his client, Fresno jail inmate Cory Lee Carroll, is not asking for anything in return for the information.

But Muna was in contact with tabloid news outlets to sell Carroll's story, two sources said. Muna called that untrue.

According to the sources, Muna sought more than $75,000 for the story from The National Enquirer.

Enquirer Senior Editor Charlie Montgomery confirmed his publication pays for stories, but he would not comment on whether Muna had contacted them or sought payment.

Muna said Wednesday he had not shopped the story. He said tabloids contacted him after The Bee reported the story Sept. 20.

"The National Enquirer made the offer, and we turned it down," Muna said. "This sounds more like there is some law enforcement -- some third party -- trying to influence credibility. We don't have anything to sell. All the information we have has been released."

Muna's information has come in distinct batches. He first said his client arranged a meeting between Peterson and two neo-Nazi gang members to discuss stealing Laci Peterson's vehicle for insurance money, but the talk soon turned to kidnapping.

The next week, Muna added to that account, saying Carroll heard Scott Peterson arranging to pay the gang members, identified as "Dirty" and "Skeeter," $22,000 to abduct and murder his pregnant wife. To this date, "Dirty" and "Skeeter" have not been publicly identified.

Muna suggested Scott Peterson failed to pay the money after he came under intense police scrutiny, and Laci Peterson died while being held. The disgruntled kidnappers could have dumped the bodies where Peterson said he went fishing to implicate him, Muna said.

Credibility was lent to the original car theft story because Carroll passed a lie-detector test administered by a veteran Fresno investigator.

But polygraph tests are not admissible in court because they are unreliable, and other parts of the story remain uncorroborated.

The identities and whereabouts of people named as key players in the scenarios remain elusive.

Authorities are refusing to comment on Muna's information, citing a sweeping gag order imposed in the case...........

(Excerpt) Read more at bayarea.com ...


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To: Devil_Anse
I don't know either when the "lockdown" conversation took place, but possibly in the interview with King and Muna, or he could have said that in a prior conversation with Muna.

Here, Cory was just the "good guy volunteer."

Yes, but why? Trying to get out of jail, or is it possible that his name was dropped to LE as having had met Scott Peterson? I mentioned SP's expense accounts earlier, and if Scott had ever listed Cory Carroll as a "client" on an expense account, MPD and MG (plus FBI) have copies of those filings. Such a relationship at such a critical time (November) might prompt someone to question Carroll about their meeting. It is also possible that somewhere in time, after Amber was aware that she was "endangered", that she knew Carroll and mentioned his name. Just something to think about. I'm simply OTO that Carroll and SP met in November at the place where he said they met, and that there was a subsequent meeting with Dirty and Skeeter. If there is some documented evidence (expense reports, pics, witnesses, etc.), such a meeting will muddy the waters, IMO. Maybe we don't want the waters muddied, but if it leads us to the truth, it needs to be thoroughly examined by all--prosecution and defense.

321 posted on 10/12/2003 3:59:41 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse
Good point. In actual fact, I think he wanted to make out that it was his opinion that she was kidnapped. This other stuff may be a coincidence. I cannot yet decide if I believe these cons or not. I'm leaning more to not but I admit I don't know. If others WERE involved then I believe that Scott was into the meth world in a bigtime way and he needed money!!
322 posted on 10/12/2003 4:14:24 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Sandylapper
No doubt Sandy when the lid is pulled off of Snott's secret life it's gonna be dirty one way or another. Probably a lot dirtier than we can even comprehend at the moment. I find it interesting that he seemed to haunt strip joints frequently.
323 posted on 10/12/2003 4:17:36 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"No doubt Sandy when the lid is pulled off of Snott's secret life it's gonna be dirty one way or another."

I agree. In cases like this you almost always find some kind of shocking double life. For example, in the M.Peterson case he was into gay escorts & porn. The murder or violence often occurs when something disrupts this double life. In the M.Peterson case, I think his wife found the gay porn and emails on the computer. In this case...I don't know for sure....Laci could have found out something (e.g., other women or drugs) OR he simply perceived that the baby would make it harder to keep his double life going. Remember, he wouldn't want to hurt his image by divorcing her. It will likely be shocking and disturbing. Remember when Gloria Allred said that this is one of the strangest things she seen? Not her exact words but she said something like that on one of the talk shows awhile back.

324 posted on 10/12/2003 4:28:46 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: drjulie
I absolutely remember Gloria Allred saying Amber's testimony was going to be shocking!! I somehow don't think Laci knew anything because her family said that even at 8:30 pm on December 23rd she was cheerful and making plans for the next day as always. Her Mom and her friends said, that Laci was NOT the kind that would keep something like that to herself. I think poor Laci was blindsided. She never knew what was coming and she certainly didn't KNOW the man she was married to. That is the saddest of all. If ONLY Laci could have had a clue.
325 posted on 10/12/2003 4:42:49 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: drjulie
Notice too julie how these type of men try to make the harmed person out as being the problem. eg M. Peterson was sorta making out this his wife was a lush!!
326 posted on 10/12/2003 4:45:59 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"Notice too julie how these type of men try to make the harmed person out as being the problem. eg M. Peterson was sorta making out this his wife was a lush!!"

Absolutely - they always blame someone else and will never take responsibility. I wouldn't doubt that Scott believes this is all Laci's fault.


327 posted on 10/12/2003 5:46:53 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Sandylapper
Why was Cory being the "good guy volunteer"? I don't know, but your idea that his name may have been dropped in connection with Scott's case is as good an answer as any. Ditto for your idea that maybe Amber knows both Carroll and Scott.

One other reason might be: the woods are full of people who want to get into the act, people who crave publicity and want to inject themselves into a public, newsworthy, famous story. Doing this gets such people attention, and in Carroll's and Muna's case, it also results in money--money from outlets such as the National Enquirer. And you know, even the "legitimate" media outlets, while they may not directly hand over cash to their interviewees, still give lots of perks. Remember Scott's Super Bowl "key" or whatever that thing was called? Didn't he get it from the "legitimate" news source of Diane Sawyer?

Such cash payoffs, direct or indirect, may seem like small potatoes to you or others here, but perhaps to Carroll "small potatoes" is enough.
328 posted on 10/12/2003 7:12:04 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage; drjulie
Amen! I'm still waiting for Scott's biggest cheerleader, Jackie P., to start to insinuate that Laci was somehow to blame, or somehow not a good wife, etc. Or maybe Scott himself will attempt to do this, if he testifies at his trial.
329 posted on 10/12/2003 7:15:16 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage; Devil_Anse; drjulie; All
I don't think I'll be shocked by snotty scotty's slimey life-style; i.e., drugs, sex, dealing drugs, etc., etc. We've already heard "some" of what he was doing. My question is did he literally kill his wife and unborn child, or hire hit people to do it? He is on trial because prosecution is saying he alone killed Laci, and they believe it happened in the Peterson's home. The only evidence that I've heard that was found in the home to lead one to believe that Laci died a violent death is "rope marks on a kitchen chair" and "traces of vomit on a mop". If that's it, one has to conclude that prosecution is going to say that Scott strangled/poisoned Laci in the home after tying her up in the chair. Of course, LE has said nothing or very little, but if that's all the evidence in the house, then they might not have such a good case. JMO
330 posted on 10/12/2003 7:48:51 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse; Rusty Roberts; All
You're quite right about the woods being full of people who want to get "into the act", so to speak. Maybe Cory is just a "small potatoes" kind of guy. I may be totally wrong, but just believe there is something here to be explored about Cory & Company. This may be (MAY BE--emphasis) the reason that MG and Matt Dalton split. Could it be that Scott gave them Cory's name and MG didn't want to take the case in that direction, but MD did? Rusty, I believe, has implied that the Cory scenario reeked of Dalton.
331 posted on 10/12/2003 7:58:35 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Sandylapper
All I know is, if they can prove he hired someone to kill Laci, he is in just as deep doo-doo as he is if they can prove he did it with his own hands.
332 posted on 10/12/2003 8:02:05 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Sandylapper
I'm having a lot of trouble believing the Carroll story at the moment, but I wanted it to be at least partly true, only b/c it would at least have provided some answers--finally!!
333 posted on 10/12/2003 8:05:29 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Yep, deep doo-doo, but can't you just imagine prosecution using Skeeter and Dirty to testify that they killed Laci because Scott paid them to do it? I really don't think Scott would have paid them with a personal check.
334 posted on 10/12/2003 8:25:16 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Sandylapper
Sandlappie you KNOW that NO Prosecutor would go to trial with ONLY that evidence you referred to. I am quite sure that the computer browser(s) held a wealth of information. There is more, plenty more, and it likely came together from all sorts of sources. Some in the house, some in the vehicle(s), his actions and lies, Amber's testimony, Laci's hair in a pair of pliers in a boat she didn't even know existed, an anchor or two and 31 other items retrieved from the Bay (none of which we have been made privy to), phone conversations, GPS tracking with listening and perhaps video capabilities, etc. etc. Also, I agree with you on the client receipts angle. That could well be a biggie!! But I live with the law and NO Prosecutor will take a case like this to Court without extremely good evidence, both physical and circumstantial. And on top of it, they are confident enough to charge him with the Death Penalty. We also don't know yet what was found in his "other" storage unit, the one that was a secured one. Then there is the separate mailbox set up on Dec.23rd!! And last but not least, the bodies washed up very near where he says he went solo fishing!! I really can't wait till the Prelim starts. Even if we just get a bit of info I'm sure it will be very revealing. I can't help remembering that Dan Abrams show where he had the gaggle of Attorneys on there discussing this case. I remember it was one of the Defense Attorneys that said, "if you have a weak case, stall, stall and stall some more".
335 posted on 10/12/2003 8:28:59 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Sandylapper
Maybe the reason for the secret mailbox was to put the cash payment into so there would be no paper trail. He seemed to be able to round up quite a bit of cash when needed!! One other thing that is devestating to his case is the OBVIOUS attempt to change his appearance and then getting another car registered to a different name, a passport in his brother's name and "another passport application" in yet another name. Not to mention his wad of cash.
336 posted on 10/12/2003 8:39:05 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Velveeta
I thought Saki was a dog.
337 posted on 10/12/2003 8:44:20 PM PDT by melodie (me sooo confused.)
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To: Devil_Anse
I figure that his mother and father should be charged with "obstruction of Justice" or aiding and abetting a criminal. Perhaps even more of the clan should be charged too. I wonder, when the lid comes off and all the slimy maggoty facts come out what Lee Peterson will have to say about his, quote "Perfect son"!!?? It sure has been deathly silent lately from the Peterson clan huh? Wonder if Geragos warned them to stop making statements?
338 posted on 10/12/2003 8:44:54 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
I sure hope you're right about the tons of evidence, CO. The most damning thing you mentioned is probably that strand of hair in the pliers in the boat, that turned into 2 strands, which MAY BE Laci's, and which defense is now challenging based on that extra hair discrepancy, I think.
339 posted on 10/12/2003 8:45:34 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Sandylapper
The only hair that matters tho is the one that they photographed and sent to the crime lab. Wasn't it reported that it DID have the root attached and therefore a DNA connection could be made? Also, they took hair from her hairbrush. The general legal consensus appears to be that the hair and results of the testing same will be allowed into evidence. And yes, your right, it is the only piece of PHYSICAL evidence that we know about as yet. There may well be others that we don't know about. I hope there is. I know they found blood in Snott's truck. He says it was his from cutting his knuckles ( horsethit to that excuse). I wonder if there was any blood at all of Laci's in the mop, a spec on the floor or wall or even in the boat? I still have hopes that the Duct tape they found that had a fingerprint can be matched to Scott.
340 posted on 10/12/2003 8:51:59 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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