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'We Have to Destroy California to Save It': Arnold Opposes AND Supports Illegal Immigration
Toogood Reports ^ | 6 October 2003 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 10/06/2003 5:26:26 AM PDT by mrustow

Unlike other politicians today and the media, who routinely refer to illegal immigrants as simply “immigrants,” California gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger — who is favored to win Tuesday's recall election — actually calls them “illegal immigrants.” And unlike so many pols and scribes across the political spectrum, Schwarzenegger clearly declares, “Let me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program.” And unlike Democrat politicians, Schwarzenegger opposes issuing California drivers licenses to illegals.

By contrast, on September 5, in a secret ceremony reserved for Hispanics and the Hispanic media, desperate, Democrat California Gov. Gray Davis signed SB60, giving illegals the right to acquire California drivers licenses. Those California drivers licenses will also function as cards letting their bearers illegally vote, and illegally receive social services, including welfare, Medicaid, and food stamps. At his campaign web site, Schwarzenegger says, “As Governor I will: Work to repeal SB 60 as quickly as possible.”

So, what´s not to like?

Well … the same candidate who claims to oppose issuing drivers licenses to illegal aliens, supports making all illegals, legal aliens. You heard right. He also calls on Washington to offset the costs of providing education, health care, and social services to illegals. “Deportation,” he tells us, “is not an option.”

Oh, but it is. The immigration policy alternative is, deportation or amnesty. Anyone who opposes deportation, by default favors amnesty, using whatever “deliberate disguises,” and stretched over however many years. If illegal immigrants are permitted to remain on American soil, they will all eventually be granted citizenship. That is the meaning of amnesty, euphemisms notwithstanding.

Let us be clear: Arnold Schwarzenegger supports an amnesty program.

(To those who suggest a third option of illegals returning to their homelands, applying for American citizenship the legal, old-fashioned way, and waiting for years to get to the front of the line, I say this. Anyone who holds U.S. law in contempt, meaning your typical illegal alien, who now makes demands of federal, state, and local government, will laugh at such a proposal. Such people believe that obeying the law is for losers. And so far, they´re right.)

I think that as in the case of with George W. Bush, an awful lot of people have underestimated Arnold Schwarzenegger. A man who can dissemble and equivocate with such virtuosity is a born politician. And he can even use honesty as an effective policy, when it suits him. Just look at his slick admission to, and apology for groping women on movie sets over the years, in response to the Los Angeles Times/Democrat Party´s 2003 October Surprise. I believe that Schwarzenegger had been planning on entering politics for many, many years. Like another successful California public figure, Schwarzenegger will prove, I believe, to be much more gifted as a politician than as an actor. But unlike that other public figure, it is much harder to unearth what, if anything, Arnold Schwarzenegger believes, and assuming he has any principles, whether he has the courage of his convictions.

And the foregoing goes for the national GOP, in spades. George W. Bush will likely win the 2004 election, for the same reason that Bill Clinton won two terms: Bush is a master politician, and like Clinton, once at the dance, refuses to dance with who brung him. Bush´s rejection of his own base, is the story of his party, as well. But the cynical centrism that George Bush can get away with, will not work for politicians who lack his unique combination of aristocratic lineage, the common touch, Evangelical faith, personal magnetism and foreign affairs patriotism.

As Steve Sailer has often pointed out, one of the GOP´s greatest weaknesses, is its apparent belief that some people´s (i.e., blacks and Hispanics´) votes are morally superior to other people´s (whites, and particularly, white men´s) votes. And so, Republicans pander to blacks, and especially, (Sailer speaks of “Hispandering”) to Hispanics, while leaving their white base in the lurch. But the GOP´s chances at winning elections are entirely dependent on getting out the white vote, particularly, whites who usually don´t vote. GOP pandering to minorities only helps the Democrats, since those groups overwhelmingly vote Democrat (over 90% of blacks, and approximately 67% of Hispanics, in national elections). And the rejection of white voters implicit in such pandering to minorities, results in many white voters staying home on Election Day.

I fail to see how a Schwarzenegger governorship will improve California over Gray Davis´ governorship, or even the potential governorship of Democrat Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamente, a recall candidate and a founding member of the national socialist-like, racist Mexican group, Mecha. As Schwarzenegger´s True Lies co-star, Jamie Lee Curtis, said approvingly, after his announcement that he would run as a Republican, Schwarzenegger is really a liberal Democrat.

And so it is, increasingly, with Republicans nationally, who unlike politicians of all stripes in our neighbor countries of Canada and Mexico, lack the backbone to say no to the illegal immigrants who are destroying America´s economy, system of law, and civilization. If Americans are to have a chance to save their nation from the elites who are busy sacrificing her, either a new political party, say, a Sovereignty Party, must be founded, or a wing within the Republican Party must arise and change the direction of the GOP, in either case, led by politicians such as Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo.

During the Vietnam War, after burning a village to the ground, an Army officer is supposed to have said, “We had to destroy the village, in order to save it.” Today’s GOP seems to be saying, "We have to destroy America, in order to save her."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: amnesty; californiarecall; ccrm; cruzbustamante; deportation; georgewbush; graydavis; illegalimmigration; immigration; latimes; mcclintock; mecha; recall; sb60; schwarzenegger; tomtancredo
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To: TheCrusader
With all due respect to my fellow conservatives, anyone who sincerely thinks that Arnold will be good for Califorinia or good for America needs to think again. This overstuffed, brainless babboon found his place in life by standing in front of a camera lens and thumping his oily chest. If he's the best that "conservatives" have to offer, we're all in trouble.

DITTO!!!!

41 posted on 10/06/2003 7:32:50 AM PDT by pollywog
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To: mrustow
BUMP
42 posted on 10/06/2003 7:33:14 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: TheCrusader
The "buffoon" writes books in English and he writes books in German.

Good books too!

Writers always have this problem with the keepers of public morals.

43 posted on 10/06/2003 7:36:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: republicanwizard
I'd destroy this party before I see it taken over by Tom Tancredo.

Not surprising, being that you support Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.

44 posted on 10/06/2003 8:01:52 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: mrustow
Let us be clear: Arnold Schwarzenegger supports an amnesty program.

Get ready California, if this guy gets ELECTED and is then unaccountable...for the Doublt Talking of your life.

FYI mrustow, on that "wizard" buffoon, trust your instincts, I've "debated" that thing before and watched it have complete and total RINO meltdown, it is a outright liberal 5th Columnist within the GOP.

45 posted on 10/06/2003 8:06:01 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (That's pre-election bogus, Arnold Schwarzenegger.)
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To: mrustow
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46 posted on 10/06/2003 8:24:57 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: mrustow
People need to read what Schwarzenegger says on joinarnold.com.

On illegal immigration, Arnold says "[l]et me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program". Arnold then goes onto to say: "Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States". Arnold also says: "Washington should pursue a responsible immigration policy that offers undocumented immigrants a path to permanent legal status".

That's called amnesty folks.

In addition, Arnold mentions nothing about cutting taxpayer funding for social welfare programs that are being utilized by both illegal aliens and societal deadbeats. Arnold wants the federal governemnt to pick up more of the costs for California's illegal immigrants. As governor, Arnold would do nothing to cut back on social spending, specifically education expenditures.

47 posted on 10/06/2003 9:08:03 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Reagan Man
He'll spend even more on education -- he likes to strut about what a great supporter of education he is.
48 posted on 10/06/2003 9:17:47 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: republicanwizard
I support immigration reform, meaning, I support better border control. I do not support slamming our doors shut to the world because of some nebulous "Western Culture" nonsense.

Merely engaging in better border patrol was an option 20 years ago. Today, either we slam our door shut, or first the door frame will get broken, and then the entire house flattened.

49 posted on 10/06/2003 9:20:24 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: sweetliberty
Why do we need immigration reform to enforce existing laws? To me, immigration reform sounds more like finding a way to legitimize lawlessness.

Your first question raises an excellent point. When existing laws are flouted by the authorities responsible for their enforcement, it takes a reform movement 1. simply to force the authorities to do their jobs, and 2. to repair the damage their negligence has done.

As for your second question, I have no idea what you're referring to, with "lawlessness."

50 posted on 10/06/2003 9:25:01 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: republicanwizard
Well, what should they do, act as if 20% of the American population doesn't exist? Would that make you happy?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Illegal immigrants are estimated to comprise between 8 million and 12 million people in America. There are 290 million people in America, including illegals. That makes for an illegal immigrant rate of 2.7-4%, not 20%.

So, I've determined that not only do you dislike the law, but you're not on speaking terms with the facts, either. Now that I'm clear about these matters, yes, I'm happy.

51 posted on 10/06/2003 9:30:20 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: FITZ
Only problem is, the illegal Mexicans are still going to vote for Democratic Party I.

Mexico has free democratic elections. All anyone needs to do is look at the way the Mexican people have voted back home ----- for leftist marxists must like Bustamante and Davis, look at their recent elections ---- they've taken a sharp left turn ---- why anyone thinks these are people who are likely to vote Republican is way beyond belief.

And the socialists they vote for in Mexico, keep them in dire poverty! Ain't it always like that? Anyway, you need to give George W. Bush and Karl Rove a good talking-to.

52 posted on 10/06/2003 9:32:52 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: yoe
It was SB60 that made the CLINTONS go to CA to campaign for Grey Davis. Al Gore did this in 2001 when they rushed through all the immigrant papers - so they could vote for Clinton. Janet Napolitano is trying to do this in AZ. Call your Congressmen and Senators today to Stop Illegal Immigration and NO to giving them drivers licenses! Call the White House comment line and say the same thing.

I think your year is a bit off. What Al Gore did was in 1995 or 1996, no?

53 posted on 10/06/2003 9:35:24 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
SOMEBODY needs to fis it and so far Tancredo is one of the few who have been willing to recognize that the emperor has no clothes, i.e. the the GOP is pandering to illegals at the expense of national security.

Exactimiento! If we wait for a perfect gentleman, we're lost. Besides, I don't know that Tancredo is such a bad guy, for a politician.

54 posted on 10/06/2003 9:37:31 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: truthkeeper
Bumpbackatcha!
55 posted on 10/06/2003 9:38:36 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: republicanwizard
Because he is a demagogue, and I don't like demagogues.

Your #2:

"I'd destroy this party before I see it taken over by Tom Tancredo."

That's not demagoguery?


56 posted on 10/06/2003 9:41:20 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Let us be clear: Arnold Schwarzenegger supports an amnesty program.

Get ready California, if this guy gets ELECTED and is then unaccountable...for the Doublt Talking of your life.

FYI mrustow, on that "wizard" buffoon, trust your instincts, I've "debated" that thing before and watched it have complete and total RINO meltdown, it is a outright liberal 5th Columnist within the GOP.

I see what you mean, re the "wizard." Not only is he nasty, but he just conjures up numbers (i.e., that illegal immigrants comprise 20% of the U.S. population) out of thin air.

57 posted on 10/06/2003 9:41:45 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Sabertooth
LOL! The last thing that guy is worried about, is the health of the Republican Party.
58 posted on 10/06/2003 9:46:08 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: republicanwizard
Who is Tom Tancredo?
59 posted on 10/06/2003 10:46:45 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: TheCrusader; All
Your jealousy is showing ???

Davis is the worse govenor we have ever had, Gary Coleman would do a better job than Davis. Maybe you should think illegals should get a legal Drivers License, but many of us Californian's don't! One case impaticular is an illegal who shot and Killed a rookie Oceanside Police officer for a minor traffic stop. 3 times he has been caught in this country and now we can pay for his sorry butt in a U.S prison.
And I guess you could care-less about the thousands of people that are out of work that cannot pay there outraegous electric bills or are planning to register there vehicles in Arizona and Nevada since they cannot afford triple the fees!

Yeah Davis is a real brainy bafoon
60 posted on 10/06/2003 10:57:33 AM PDT by missyme
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