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To: BibChr
It is abundantly clear that many (if not most) professing Christians today have traded trust in God for trust in political parties. In such a case, God is demoted to the position of Party servant. His will and power is lost to the will and power of the Party. One could even make the argument that the Party has become a god.


To give such loyalty and devotion to any political party smacks of communism or Nazism. In Hitler's Germany, the church's interpretation of divine truth was subservient to the will of the state. Ditto for Communist China today. Furthermore, this is fast becoming a way of life for churches in America.

Many churches and preachers were willing to compromise or ignore divine truth in order to accommodate President Clinton. Many other churches and preachers are willing to do the same thing today in order to accommodate President Bush. The reason for this compromise and appeasement is people have traded an undying, unyielding trust in God for a pragmatic, "lesser of two evils" trust in partisan politics.


It is past time for Christians in America to wake up and repent of political idolatry! God is not Republican or Democrat! His will is not subservient to their pundits; neither is His power dependent upon their success at the polls! As John Quincy Adams said, "Duty is ours; results are God's."

It is not our duty to win elections. It is not our duty to "get a seat at the table." It is not our duty to elect "conservatives." Whether we win or lose, whether we sit at the table or eat on a blanket in the back yard, whether we receive any phone calls from the White House or not, whether conservatives control Congress or not, our duty is to be faithful to the truth and leave the results with God!

The choice, then, seems obvious. In the name of "pragmatism," we can continue to sell our souls to partisan politics, or we can stand for the truth and put our hope in God. It seems to me the former is not taking us where we ought to go. Maybe we should try the latter.


62 posted on 10/05/2003 3:08:41 PM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
It is not our duty to win elections. It is not our duty to "get a seat at the table." It is not our duty to elect "conservatives." Whether we win or lose, whether we sit at the table or eat on a blanket in the back yard, whether we receive any phone calls from the White House or not, whether conservatives control Congress or not, our duty is to be faithful to the truth and leave the results with God!

Well said, I fully agree. In fact, I agree with eveything you said.

I don't believe Christians are called to attempt to reform government by degrees through human effort, we are called to stand without compromise for the great moral principles set forth in holy scripture and leave the results to him. Slavery, despotism, political oppression, sexual debauchery, etc, etc, were the order of the day in the ancient Roman empire, yet the Christians of that day were not called to promote a political or military revolution to correct those evils. Those evils were enventually ameliorated and Christianity triumphed over paganism, but not by Christian voters or revolutionaries but by the power of spirit-led Christian evangelism throughout the empire.

Roughly paraphrasing Eph. 6:12, our warfare is not with flesh and blood, but with spiritual powers in high places. We aren't equipped to battle those powers in our own strength or by our own devices, but we have a Lord who is more than able to gain the victory for us if we stand faithful and obedient to his commands.

I think it is highly likely that America has gone beyond the point of turning back to it's Christian-influenced beginnings, as does the brilliant evangelical Episcopal bible teacher Ken Boa. It may well be that God's patience with our sin and ingratitude is exhausted, and he is simply allowing the sordid evil we see flourishing all around us proceed on to it's ultimate conclusion in his judgement. That judgement may not come in the form of a physical or military calamity, but perhaps as dissolution into a moral and societal cesspool that slowly corrodes away everything good and decent left to us by our Christian forefathers. We wouldn't be the first nation to fall under God's judgement because of it's rejection of him and his word, but it may be that we will become the last. IMHO, the end of this present age of grace is not very far away.

142 posted on 10/05/2003 4:39:13 PM PDT by epow
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To: truthandlife
AMEN!

I am finally forming words to explain what I see as total hypocrisy on the Arnold/McClintock thing...

When Bill Clinton groped women, we said that was a reason to state he had no morals and should be kept from office. We were right of course, but the Dems said, "So What?"

Now, Arnold is proven to grope women, the Dems say he is unfit to hold office because of that, and the Repubs are saying, "So What?"

Who is the bigger hippocrite here? Us with Arnold? Or the Dems, with Clinton?

And don't bring up Juanita, groping is still groping, and is certainly a reason to say someone is unfit, regardless if there is a worse charge after that, groping is still a reason to say someone is unfit!

And a guy like McClintock, with no baggage, and great ideas and a wholesome attitude and outlook, is considered not worthy of voting for or supporting as a party.

Is it any wonder why the Republicans are called THE STUPID PARTY?

232 posted on 10/05/2003 7:03:53 PM PDT by RaceBannon (It is perfectly fine to kill people when you are defending yourself)
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To: truthandlife
The choice, then, seems obvious. In the name of "pragmatism," we can continue to sell our souls to partisan politics, or we can stand for the truth and put our hope in God. It seems to me the former is not taking us where we ought to go. Maybe we should try the latter.

Wow...just wow. Thanks for posting.

394 posted on 10/06/2003 7:49:55 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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