Vote fraud becoming too easy

www.dailynews.com ^ | October 04, 2003 | By Joseph Honig

[VU4G10]

In some quarters of California, it can be harder to get a library book than vote for governor.

Possibly less fraud-laden, too.

For two days from now, I will arrive at the polls, cast a ballot and maybe check for hanging chads. If past performances run to form, kindly poll-watchers will never ask for a single piece of identification. They may smile and offer refreshments. They may wish me well. If there are few other voters, they may return to their knitting or novels.

But that is not the worst of it.

In a nation with a long and storied tradition of election fraud -- from New York's Boss Tweed to Chicago's Richard J. Daley -- we are still an honor-system democracy. Here in California -- with millions of illegal residents among us -- registrars require no proof of United States citizenship. No birth certificates or naturalization papers.

To leave the country, to gain a passport, you at least must prove you're a U.S. citizen. To vote on everyone's future, well, you are who you say you are.

Occasionally, from election to election, vigilant U.S. attorneys match immigration records to voting rolls, discovering foreign nationals among those casting ballots. Thus far, there have been too few alien voters to affect outcomes in California or anywhere else; results were certified.

In truth, we are a trusting nation. Cautious, too. Some 47 states, ours among them, allow registration when driver's licenses are issued. One hopes our illegal immigrants, now eligible for those licenses, will resist urges to become Americans prematurely.

(How far have we opened the door? Consider that Sept. 11's hijackers possessed licenses issued by New Jersey, Michigan, Virginia and Florida, potentially allowing them votes in the nation they wished to destroy.)

This is not to say, however, that California has not made significant strides against traditional election fraud. Until recent years, Golden State voting rolls had not been thoroughly purged of ineligibles for more than a decade. Through the nineties, there were "literally millions of inaccurate or wrongful registrations," in our state, according to Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist.

How bad was it? Simply put, residents who had died, left the state or received felony convictions remained voters in good standing. In Tulare County, for example, investigations revealed that 10 per cent of absentee voters were no longer legal residents. A half-dozen years ago, Sabato's research reported estimates of phony California registrations -- deadwood voters -- numbering more than 3 million out of approximately 14 million so-called eligibles.

There is, however, hope. Under former Secretary of State Bill Jones, computer cross-checking reportedly made significant strides in getting rid of flawed registrations. It couldn't have come too soon. For we live in a state where various county bureaucrats routinely failed to disclose death, criminal convictions or residence changes, allowing ineligibles to remain voters in good standing.

Regrettably, though, some potential problems just won't go away. From election to election, paid solicitors continue to add registrations to the rolls. They sometimes earn $10 a head and certainly can't verify citizenship. (Sabato's research showed a single San Diego precinct listed 30 verifiable legal aliens out of 313 voters.)

And in one notorious voter fraud case, Mario Aburto Martinez, the Mexican national who assassinated his country's 1994 presidential candidate, was on record as a San Pedro voter.

The fact remains that if you are a noncitizen, it may be easier to vote than rent a car.

Do we face clear and present dangers of phony, rigged electoral outcomes? The answer seems to be that in ultra-close contests -- where hundreds of votes may separate contenders -- results may be called into question. It's not so much a case of ballot box stuffing as one great, lingering doubt about citizenship.

For each time noncitizens are discovered playing California politics, the honor system loses its dignity.

[Peach]

Good post.

Miss Marple - more instances of voter fraud in CA.

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[nickcarraway]

ping

[Joe Hadenuf]

Voter fraud in Texas and many other states is rampant too. Here's a small example....There are many more.

AUSTIN - Secretary of State Al Gonzales took steps Monday to make sure voter fraud - such as ballots cast by possibly deceased voters - don't crop up in the Nov. 3 election. In recent weeks, Gonzales has taken action to remove as many as 117,000 Texans' names from voter lists. Of those Texans, 43,000 may be dead and 74,000 are duplicate voter registrations. These are key initiatives, Gonzales said, because voter registration in Texas has increased by nearly 400,000 since the March primaries. Now, 11.5 million Texans are registered to vote.

[marron]

At one time I was receiving about 8 absentee ballots in the mail every election, unrequested. They were giving me ballots for people who had only briefly visited my house, I have no idea how they made the connection, but by golly I had a ballot for them. I could easily have voted 8 times for my favorite candidate, a temptation I of course resisted.

It has gotten better in the last two elections, I have only received ballots for actual residents in my house.

Since I live in a normal residential neighborhood, though, I wonder why I receive absentee ballots at all? They no longer maintain a polling place in our neighborhood, is why. They used to set up the voting booths a couple of blocks from here at the Baptist Church, but no longer. Now they just mail out ballots like candy.

I don't actually use them, I go downtown and vote there. As the article states, no ID is required, in fact the law prohibits them from asking for ID.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Care to see more? And this is just Texas.

08/07/2003 TEXAS: Hearne Voting Indictments Accusations of voter fraud have lingered over Hearne since last May's city elections. Thursday, dozens of those allegations were determined to be valid enough to go to trial. Following a day-long session, a Robertson County grand jury handed down 29 indictments in its investigation into voter fraud. District Attorney John Paschall says no public officials were indicted, but the investigation is not over. The grand jury reconvenes September 10th to continue looking into the matter. Hearne's May elections were clouded by controversy after an unusually large number of absentee ballots were cast. Paschall has been investigating accusations of forged ballot applications. Thursday was the first day he presented evidence to the grand jury.

[Peach]

People should be required to have a picture ID in order to vote. It's not a difficult requirement.

Also, more monitors are required to prevent voter fraud and that could be easily done with volunteers.

[Arrowhead1952]

AUSTIN - Secretary of State Al Gonzales took steps Monday to make sure voter fraud - such as ballots cast by possibly deceased voters - don't crop up in the Nov. 3 election. In recent weeks, Gonzales has taken action to remove as many as 117,000 Texans' names from voter lists. Of those Texans, 43,000 may be dead and 74,000 are duplicate voter registrations. These are key initiatives, Gonzales said, because voter registration in Texas has increased by nearly 400,000 since the March primaries. Now, 11.5 million Texans are registered to vote.

95% of these were on the dimbocRAT side of the isle.

[sweetliberty]

Voter fraud ping! Special notice to California voters!

[ex-Texan]

It is worse than the author realizes. All you have to do is show up at a polling place and present a sample ballot that was mailed to you at your "new address" within the district. Sample ballots are printed in the thousands and mailing labels are cheap and easy to forge.

Armed with a sample ballot -- the people are required by law to let you vote. Even if your name does not show on the list of registered voters. No identification will be asked for because these polling places are controlled by the DNC.

Massive voter fraud will take place in two days in Californicated !!

Nothing can or will be done about it. If you live in the state, I recommend you move as soon as possible. To Nevada.

[FITZ]

At one time I was receiving about 8 absentee ballots in the mail every election, unrequested. They were giving me ballots for people who had only briefly visited my house, I have no idea how they made the connection, but by golly I had a ballot for them. I could easily have voted 8 times for my favorite candidate, a temptation I of course resisted.

I'm probably not as honest as you.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Massive voter fraud will take place in two days in Californicated !!

Nothing can or will be done about it. If you live in the state, I recommend you move as soon as possible. To Nevada.

And go where? To Texas? LOL!

Middle Easterners Streaming Into Texas:

By EDWARD HEGSTROM Houston Chronicle

Texas has one of the nation's fastest-growing Middle Eastern populations, and most of the state's immigrants live in Houston, according to a study based on census data.

Researchers at the Center for Immigration Studies say Texas' Middle Eastern population more than doubled in the last decade, to just over 100,000, including more than 52,000 in Greater Houston.

This doesn't include the millions of illegals that are flooding into Texas, and the epic voter fraud that has been rampant in in Texas for years..

Instead of squawking, and flailing your arms like a little girl, try cleaning up your own shiit at home.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Oh, you moved to Oregon from Texas? LOL.....

[stands2reason]

Some people on this forum worship California and despise Texas. You'd think that they get off while looking through California road atlases....

[Joe Hadenuf]

Massive voter fraud will take place in two days in Californicated !!

Nothing can or will be done about it. If you live in the state, I recommend you move as soon as possible. To Nevada.

Massive voter fraud will take place in two days in Californicated !!

In Oregon, where all the ballots were mailed in, a survey indicates that 36,000 of the 1,500,000 ballots were signed by someone other than the registered voter. In this state's Presidential race Gore "won" by about 6,000 votes.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Actually I enjoy showing people that whatever is going on in Cal, is going on right under their noses, in their own backyards.

I know facts are hard to deal with for some...And they are even harder to out run.

[ex-Texan]

I have a good buddy living in Californicated. He has changed jobs and plans to relocated to Nevada near Lake Tahoe. He will buy or build a new custom home. Moving will save him in excess of $ 45,000 a year in income taxes and tons of money in living expenses. His kids can go to safer schools and not have to deal with Mexifornia issues.

'FCalifornia! The state is hopelessly mired in debt and corruption. I say get out now, before real estate starts to fall in value (because it will as more and more high wage earners move away). The trends population demographics are already being noted in the national press.

(I moved to Oregon from California after law school and living in Indiana. Had lived in CA for 33 years before law school. Looking back on all of that, Indiana was a great experience except for the weather.)

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