Davis Plans to Steal the Recall Vote (Vanity Alert)

My deeply suspicious mind | October 5, 2003 | Miss Marple

[kayak]

Here are a couple of threads from last night on that subject .....

LA Times Covers Up Davis Violence on Female Staff

The Real Gray Davis: Closet Wacko (NTLA Reprint) ... this reprint is from 1997

Warning: These threads are rated R (for Restricted, not for Republican) for strong language.

[deport]

It may well be fading or tightening....... In most elections the races seem to tighten at the very end, not always but they do often as the fence sitters get off the rail. The Knight Ridder polled showed that when comparing Sat. responses against Wed. responses...

What did you expect the California DNC chairman to say?...... Our internals are telling us that Davis is losing by larger numbers each day? His job is to spin it to their benifit and hopefully change some votes...

Who knows what will happen as this is a one of a kind event.... No real history to even gauge against.

[Partisan Hack]

ping

[Torie]

The we lose because of fraud gang in this neighborhood really bores me. It makes us all look silly, and rather paranoid and sore losers. Dirty politics and late hits is not fraud, and as you say, I don't think it will work. The division lines are too cast in concrete.

[Miss Marple]

Torie, you can call me silly if you wish. I don't partcularly care.

There is a long history of vote fraud with the democrats. I have provided my opinion of what they are up to. If I am wrong, so be it.

But, if I am right, I have provided a warning to Californians, and have encouraged them to pay attention and get the turnout as high as they can.

I don't give a hoot if someone calls me paranoid. I am remembering the 2000 election and what they are able to do.

[Torie]

Whatever. I already voted, and am one of those McClintock supporters who flipped to Arnold. Be happy.

[samantha]

You are not paranoid,you are pragmatic,and been there, seen that. I was one of the 537 in Floriduh,and protested in W Palm Beach,and helped in recount vote in my county. I also listened to the horror stories of voter fraud,and intimidation of voters,especially haitians. I still hear true stories of fraud in Broward and Dade Counties.

[Miss Marple]

I am glad you flipped.

Torie, I would be ever so happy if I am proven wrong. I do not like spending my time thinking about Rat plots.

However, until I am proven wrong I am going to point out what I see as very suspicious movements by the demorats.

I learned the lesson of Palm Beach County.

[Hildy]

The ballot is not confusing...it's just long. I received a mailer from Schwartzenegger telling me what number he is on the ballot. HOW STUPID ARE PEOPLE? You look through pages until you find the name of the person you want to vote for. Yeesh.

[Torie]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Palm Beach was about legal mahcinations, not vote fraud. In fact, Bush owes his election to that Dem official (LePere I think) that designed the butterfly ballot, and then used a fairly tight standard to count the underpunches, outvoting with that guy what Carol Roberts wanted to do). In the end, Gore only got about 60 more votes net out of Palm Beach, way under my estimate of about 250 votes. His big haul was in Broward County. And so it goes.

[TERMINATTOR]

Arnold isn't the perfect GOP candidate, but then, who is?

Tom McClintock

[deport]

• Arnold Schwarzenegger’s massive rally on the south side of the state Capitol, the climax of his four-day bus tour of California, provided just what the Los Angeles Times editorial board must fear. It was a dramatic demonstration of how a powerful celebrity can channel populist anger, creating a political experience unmediated by elites. While Schwarzenegger for the most part struck a positive, upbeat tone Sunday afternoon, declining to attack his principal antagonists -- Gray Davis, Cruz Bustamante, and the Times -- the disdain for the political class underlying his message was palpable.

• Some 10,000 people attended, twice as many as last year’s farmworkers march on the Capitol, the only comparable rally in recent years.

• In contrast, Davis drew only a few hundred supporters to his big rally Saturday at the Teamsters’ hall in Oakland, despite the presence of the governor, the state’s two U.S. senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, and Willie Brown and Jerry Brown, making a rare appearance on behalf of his former chief of staff.

• In the midst of the tumult of charges against Schwarzenegger, a welter of conflicting poll numbers are being bandied about. The Schwarzenegger and Republican camps, which are not exactly the same thing, insist that their polls show steady and large support for both the recall and Schwarzenegger.

• Team Gray says the recall is falling and Schwarzenegger is fading, though one key member of that team says Schwarzenegger will still win the replacement ballot. A new Knight-Ridder poll still shows big support for the recall and a solid Schwarzenegger lead. But the Friday night portion of that poll reportedly showed much closer results. Of course, Friday night is a notoriously bad night for polling, as younger voters, who in this election largely disdain Davis and back Schwarzenegger, have better things to do than talk to pollsters.

• The prison guards were huge players and the biggest contributor in Republican Pete Wilson’s 1994 win. They played the same role for Davis in 1998. In the recall, they have pulled their punches, perhaps because Schwarzenegger spent three hours signing autographs at their convention last year. And perhaps because they believe there will be a new sheriff in town. Indeed, even reporters who are writing that Schwarzenegger is in serious trouble say they expect him to win.

• And so we move forward to the final two days of the election. Sunday night tracking polls should be even more interesting than those taken on Friday and Sunday, given their more reliable samples.

• CHIN UP

[deport]

Curious....... what made you flip? If you don't want to answer I understand.......

[carlo3b]

You are right on Miss Marple as usual. . . The recall of a Giant Rat spells doom for the entire Dem party.. They must not let the recall pass.. if the people discover
that they can be back in charge of the agenda that a candidate runs on and boot them if they lied about their true stance on the important issues,(like taxes, moral questions, schools).. KATY BAR THE DOOR.. recalls will pop up in the strangest places..
beware they are filling out absentee ballots as we speak..

[Torie]

The election was too close, and too unpredictable, and I needed to vote absentee. I always intended to vote for Arnold if McCLintock was out of the running, and Arnold did not appear to be a safe winner. I have no illusions however that Arnold will be a panacea. He may end up being the tax collector for the welfare state without effecting systemic reformative change by intiative (which is what will be required in all probability, with the finger given to the hard left legislature). That is a risk. But Bustamante and Davis were and are unacceptable alternatives to me.

[deport]

I have no illusions however that Arnold will be a panacea.

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Thanks for the response.....

I hope no one is thinking that Arnold will be a panacea..... At best he may only be able to put some control on spending, get at least an indept audit of the governmental budget completed, and maybe begin the process of cobbling together a coalition of groups to bring about some needed change. Just getting the process started will be a huge task I believe as the democrats still control a lot of the governmental processes.

[claudiustg]

"HOW STUPID ARE PEOPLE? You look through pages until you find the name of the person you want to vote for. "

I bet George B. Schwartzman gets an unusually large number of votes. He's right below Arnold on the ballot. Curious that randomness would make it so.

[deport]

Poll: Schwarzenegger gaining; recall strong as October 7 election nears

STANFORD—The final of three recent Stanford University-Hoover Institution polls shows GOP candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger has consolidated his support among voters and support is solid for the Oct. 7 recall to replace Governor Gray Davis.

• The poll showed continued support for the recall with approximately 59 percent still in favor of the recall and support for Schwarzenegger increasingly slightly to 43 percent.

[El Gato]

Yes, but there are more Repubs than Demonrats registering.

So? "They", whoever they might really be, could just as easily vote for McClintock, or any of the other 135 canidates, or even Bustemonte. It's an open election, not a primary. Registration means nothing if the "registrants" doesn't really exist, or was given a bottle of wine (or a joint) to "register" and then allow more "reliable" folks to vote in their stead.

[El Gato]

HOW STUPID ARE PEOPLE? You look through pages until you find the name of the person you want to vote for. Yeesh

That assumes you can read. Although being able to read is not a prerequisite for being a voter, especially a DemocRatic one. Still the number wouldn't hurt, since many people who can't read, can "read" numbers, or they can at least count if you allow them to take off their shoes. (Of course that wouldn't help in this election, unless the voter were an octopus and could count on his suckers, or a millipede).