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On immigration (Good Read)
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/ ^ | October 4, 2003 | Richard D. Lamm

Posted on 10/04/2003 4:42:41 PM PDT by getget

On immigration

Should illegal aliens have driver's licenses, amnesty, welfare, and the right to move their families to the U.S.? Illegal aliens are, as is often pointed out, "good, hard-working people who just want the American dream." But is that the end of the argument? The trouble with that level of analysis is that there are billions of "good, hard-working people" and their dependents in the world who would love to come here, and obviously we can't take them all. We are also a nation of laws, with our own unemployed and underemployed, and our nation needs to come to some enforceable consensus on what our policy should be on people entering the country illegally.

Polls show that more than 70 percent of Americans object to illegal immigration, and we run a serious risk of a backlash against all immigrants if we don't reach some consensus on this issue. Polls also show that there is no issue in America where there is a bigger gap between public opinion and opinions of the media and other "elites."

Reasoned dialogue is rare and issues of immense importance to America's future are not being discussed or even debated.

Public policy requires us to be wise enough to appreciate cumulative effects. We already have approximately 10 percent of all Mexico living in the U.S. either legally or illegally. We owe it to the future to have a candid debate on the demographic impact of a mass migration of this magnitude. Consider:

1. We are a nation built on law. It almost sounds old-fashioned in contemporary America to ask that people obey the law. But when we start deciding which laws to obey and which to ignore, we start down a dangerous path. There are millions of potential immigrants patiently waiting in their home countries to immigrate here, playing by our rules. Illegal immigrants "jump the line."

2. As every house needs a door, every country needs a border. By turning a blind eye toward illegal immigration, we are encouraging countless numbers of these people to attempt to sneak into America. I spent a night with the Border Patrol in California, and was amazed to find people from India, Bangladesh, Iran, Egypt, Africa and China among the people detained.

3. Illegal immigration hurts America's poor. Illegal immigrants compete for the jobs our own poor need to start to move up the economic ladder. A study by The Center for Immigration Studies finds: "Mexican immigration is overwhelmingly unskilled, and it is hard to find an economic argument for unskilled immigration, because it tends to reduce wages for (U.S.) workers." The study goes on: "Because the American economy offers very limited opportunities for workers with little education, continued unskilled immigration can't help but to significantly increase the size of the poor and uninsured populations, as well as the number of people on welfare."

4. We are told that illegal immigration is "cheap labor," but it is not "cheap labor," it is subsidized labor. The National Academy of Sciences has found that there is a significant fiscal drain on U.S. taxpayers for each adult immigrant without a high school education. Illegal immigration is something that benefits a few employers, but the rest of us subsidize that labor through the school system, the health-care system, the courts and in other ways that this form of labor imposes. With school spending of more than $7,000 per student per year, even a small family costs far more than a low-wage family pays in taxes.

5. America is increasingly becoming, day by day, a bilingual country, yet there is not a bilingual country in the world that lives in peace with itself. No nation should blindly allow itself to become a bilingual-bicultural country. If it does, it invites generations of conflict, tension and antagonism. America has historically demanded that its immigrants be self-supporting and English-speaking to join our polity. We vary from that rule that made us "one nation, indivisible" at great risk to America's future. Today, when over 40 percent of today's massive wave of immigrants is from Spanish-speaking nations, people can move to America and keep their language, their culture and their old loyalties. If the melting pot doesn't melt, immigrants become "foreigners" living in America rather than assimilated Americans.

6. Our social fabric risks becoming undone. It is important to America's future that we look at how Mexican immigrants are doing. Too many of our Hispanic immigrants live in ethnic ghettos. Too many are unskilled laborers, too many are uneducated, too many live in poverty, too many are exploited, too many haven't finished ninth grade, too many drop out of school. The Center for Immigration Studies issued a report last year, which found: "Almost two-thirds of adult Mexican immigrants have not completed high school, compared to fewer than one in 10 natives not completing high school. Mexican immigrants now account for 22 percent of all high school dropouts in the labor force."

But what is most disturbing is that second and third generations don't do much better. Again, the study from The Center for Immigration Studies: "The lower educational attainment of Mexican immigrants appears to persist across the generations." A recent report from the center shows that two-thirds of Mexican immigrant workers lack even a high school education; as a consequence, two-thirds of Mexican immigrant families live in or near poverty. The question has to be asked: By tolerating illegal immigration are we laying the foundations for a new Hispanic underclass? A Hispanic Quebec?


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To: JNB
And the other --- their only alternatives are PRI which ran the country into where it is after it help power for over 70 years --- and PAN which of course has the evil Fox who is trying to run them all out of the country and into the USA. His wife of 2 years plans to succeed him.
61 posted on 10/04/2003 7:09:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: cyborg
It could very well be that we'll have to buy Vicente Fox.

Over the past months I have read over and over again that Mexico's illegal border bounders send back $9Billion from the US to Mexico. Classic case of going from a Mexican Standoff on the issue, to an arrangement for a mordida to start handling the problem on the Mexican side of the border. These endless stories of the money Mexico makes off its overseas working poor could be just the well-orchestrated beginnings of a deal.

This post says "70% of Americans object to illegal immigration" I don't believe it. I think 60% of Americans don't give a rat's patoot about it (or anything else, for that matter)and won't, until they lose their job. Or, what is more likely, they wake up enough to see their children's future harmed.

Even in California, swamped to the gunwales with Mexicans, illegal immigration isn't even on the radar in the biggest news story in the country, Schwarznegger vs. Davis. MeCHA-member Bustamante even has the goddammed gall to say that if "he gets all the immigrant vote" he'll win!

As far as the immigrant backlash factor goes, surely you have noticed that the average NASCAR-brained among our fellow citizens think all foreigners are (a) alike, and (b) are from something or somewhere like Mexico. The immigration issue is discussed among a minority group in America: the intelligent wing of the Republican Party. Unfortunately, on this issue that includes none of the party leadership.

62 posted on 10/04/2003 7:17:29 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
excellent post... I agree. Sad that no one in leadership gives a rat's behind.
63 posted on 10/04/2003 7:23:50 PM PDT by cyborg (X-tra strength industrial grade tinfoil hat for maximum zottage)
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To: FITZ
Good post, FITZ.

For the good of Mexico, I think we ought to end illegal immigration and start sending back our illegals. They have seen the promised land. Now let them go build their own.

If we can put more of our own poor bacl to work, maybe we can send the money we would have paid them in welfare to Mexico.

64 posted on 10/04/2003 7:24:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: getget
Two points that this article seems to ignore:

1. Many of the illegals crossing the borders are better educated and are taking higher level jobs. They are buying large houses and driving expensive SUVs. Why, exactly, am I supposed to want these people in my country?

2. With an increasing number of high tech jobs being exported to India, many native Americans find themselves competing with illegals for jobs. If we don't stop the illegal immigration and begin reversing the trend, what will become of the golden dream that America represents if Americans can't get jobs?
65 posted on 10/04/2003 7:35:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: propaganda_bot
Yeah, great read, Try getting someone besides Tom Tancredo, to do anything about it!
66 posted on 10/04/2003 8:42:00 PM PDT by blaze
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To: propaganda_bot
Lamm has some funny ideas about health care. He thought CAT scanners were a waste of money and he said old and sick people had a duty to die.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=504
67 posted on 10/04/2003 8:45:21 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: getget
BTTT
68 posted on 10/04/2003 9:03:07 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly
Illegal Immigrants is the trojan horse of America
69 posted on 10/04/2003 9:49:33 PM PDT by getget
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To: philetus
human rights buddy http://www.unog.ch/news2/documents/newsfr/hr0362f.htm Truman and the United Nations http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/un/large/
How many refugees mandate by the United Nations does America take very year?
71 posted on 10/04/2003 10:06:45 PM PDT by getget
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To: philetus
a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a325b3f5d31.htm
72 posted on 10/04/2003 10:10:35 PM PDT by getget
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To: getget
BTTT
73 posted on 10/04/2003 10:35:44 PM PDT by Ches (Mrs.)
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To: Sabertooth; Mercuria
ping
74 posted on 10/04/2003 10:59:10 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: getget
4. We are told that illegal immigration is "cheap labor," but it is not "cheap labor," it is subsidized labor. The National Academy of Sciences has found that there is a significant fiscal drain on U.S. taxpayers for each adult immigrant without a high school education. Illegal immigration is something that benefits a few employers, but the rest of us subsidize that labor through the school system, the health-care system, the courts and in other ways that this form of labor imposes. With school spending of more than $7,000 per student per year, even a small family costs far more than a low-wage family pays in taxes.

Important point. The free-trade/borders crowd like to tell us that reasonable tariffs are a subsidy, but the real subsidy is the US taxpayer subsidizing cheap labor for the open borders/trade crowd.

75 posted on 10/04/2003 11:19:13 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: getget
It looks more like our pols are the trojan horse.
76 posted on 10/04/2003 11:54:07 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: getget
I don't believe the future for the U.S. that the American people want is the same future the politicions are working for.
77 posted on 10/05/2003 12:04:52 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: getget
1. We are a nation built on law. It almost sounds old-fashioned in contemporary America to ask that people obey the law. But when we start deciding which laws to obey and which to ignore, we start down a dangerous path. There are millions of potential immigrants patiently waiting in their home countries to immigrate here, playing by our rules. Illegal immigrants "jump the line."

My wife waited over a year to get here because I was naive and stupid enough to bother obeying the immigration laws.

78 posted on 10/05/2003 7:48:59 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: FITZ
Massive immigration is only helping the elites of Mexico hang on to the corrupt system they have in place, it's delaying the inevitable ----- they must change. Mexico is unraveling very fast.

Try replacing "Mexico" with "the U.S.". It's a little extreme, but the idea is still valid.

79 posted on 10/05/2003 7:55:48 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: FITZ
Lopez Obrador is of the PRD party ---- those are the anti-NAFTA pro-campesino people. I'm not sure if he's good or bad.

I have no problem with being anti-NAFTA. What is 'campesino'?

80 posted on 10/05/2003 8:01:26 AM PDT by nosofar
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